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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] how do you use sumka'i to refer to an outer bridi?
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I disagree with this usage in a pretty fundamental way. {ce'u} is for
building functions, pe'i.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 09:12:38 neit wrote:
> > coi rodo
> >
> > A good example that I'm trying to wrap my brain around is the following:
> > Suppose I want to say, "Who wants my dog?"  bau la lojban - .i ma djica
> lo
> > nu ____ ponse lo mi gerku
> >
> > I want a sumka'i in the ____ to refer to the "ma" in the main bridi.  How
> > can I do that?  Can I use the reflexive sumka'i vo'a?  (.i ma djica lo nu
> > vo'a ponse lo mi gerku)?  Or do those reflexive sumka'i only refer to
> their
> > native bridi, or can they "reach-out" and refer to the main bridi of
> which
> > they are a part?
>
> I'd use "ce'u", since it's in a nu-clause.
>
> Pierre
> --
> ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I disagree with this usage in a pretty fundamental wa=
y. {ce&#39;u} is for building functions, pe&#39;i.<br><br></div>mi&#39;e la=
 latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"">On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 09:12:38 neit wrote:<br>
&gt; coi rodo<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A good example that I&#39;m trying to wrap my brain around is the foll=
owing:<br>
&gt; Suppose I want to say, &quot;Who wants my dog?&quot; =C2=A0bau la lojb=
an - .i ma djica lo<br>
&gt; nu ____ ponse lo mi gerku<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I want a sumka&#39;i in the ____ to refer to the &quot;ma&quot; in the=
 main bridi. =C2=A0How<br>
&gt; can I do that? =C2=A0Can I use the reflexive sumka&#39;i vo&#39;a? =C2=
=A0(.i ma djica lo nu<br>
&gt; vo&#39;a ponse lo mi gerku)? =C2=A0Or do those reflexive sumka&#39;i o=
nly refer to their<br>
&gt; native bridi, or can they &quot;reach-out&quot; and refer to the main =
bridi of which<br>
&gt; they are a part?<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;d use &quot;ce&#39;u&quot;, since it&#39;s in a nu-clause.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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ve ka&#39;a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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