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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] how do you use sumka'i to refer to an outer bridi?
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On Monday, April 28, 2014 5:33:08 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrote: 
>
>   most predicates that involve properties presuppose that things can have 
> properties "to a degree". For example in "ko'a zmadu ko'e ko'i", both ko'a 
> and ko'e could have property ko'i, but ko'a has more of it. 
>
 
.uasai se'anai mi ca pu'o djuno, So to distinguish a state from a property, 
could I say that properties and states are the same except a state denotes 
a binary "has it / doesn't have it," and a property denotes a scalar 
"degree to which it has it / doesn't have it?"  Except states don't have an 
implicit {ce'u}...
 

>    In other words:  If {lo nu zo'e blanu} occurs, then {ja'abo lo za'i 
>> zo'e blanu} in {lo ka [ce'u] blanu}.
>>
>  
> Not sure what you mean by the last part. If "lo nu ko'a blanu" occurs, 
> then "ko'a ckaji lo ka ce'u blanu".
>
 
Looking back over it, I'm not so sure I know what I meant by that last 
part...  I think I was trying to say that a state is the (binary) degree of 
a property.  In this way, everything would have the property of blueness, 
it's just a matter of whether that property is in the state of TRUE or 
FALSE at any given moment.  I now disagree with that previous statement...
 

>    Am I close, or am I just stressing out about this too much?
>>
>
> Probably both :)
>
 
.ie je .a'enairo'e (PS:  is it fair to logically connect attitudinals as I 
just did?  I chose a jek because I consider the additive nature of compound 
attitudinals similar to the vague relationship in tanru.)
 
Again, ki'e .xorxes.
 
mi'e .neit. mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><BR>On Monday, April 28, 2014 5:33:08 PM UTC-4, xorxes wro=
te:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV>most predicates that involve properties presuppose that things can hav=
e properties "to a degree". For example in "ko'a zmadu ko'e ko'i", both ko'=
a and ko'e could have property ko'i, but ko'a has more of it.&nbsp;</DIV></=
DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>.uasai&nbsp;se'anai mi ca pu'o djuno, So to distinguish a state from a=
 property, could I say that properties and states are the same except a sta=
te denotes a binary "has it / doesn't have it," and a property denotes a sc=
alar "degree to which it has it / doesn't have it?"&nbsp; Except states don=
't have an implicit {ce'u}...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>In other words:&nbsp; If {lo nu zo'e blanu} occurs, then {ja'abo lo za=
'i zo'e blanu} in {lo ka [ce'u] blanu}.</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Not sure what you mean by the last part. If "lo nu ko'a blanu" occurs,=
 then "ko'a ckaji lo ka ce'u blanu".</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Looking back over it, I'm not so sure I know what I meant by that last=
 part...&nbsp; I think I was trying to say that a state is the (binary) deg=
ree of a property.&nbsp; In this way, everything would have the property of=
 blueness, it's just a matter of whether that property is in the state of T=
RUE or FALSE at any given moment.&nbsp; I now disagree with that previous s=
tatement...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>Am I close, or am I just stressing out about this too much?</DIV></DIV=
></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Probably both :)</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>.ie je&nbsp;.a'enairo'e (PS:&nbsp; is it fair to logically connect att=
itudinals as I just did?&nbsp; I chose a jek because I consider the additiv=
e nature of compound attitudinals similar to the vague relationship in tanr=
u.)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Again, ki'e .xorxes.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>mi'e .neit. mu'o</DIV></div>

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