Received: from mail-wi0-f191.google.com ([209.85.212.191]:37160) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wmgws-0002sH-WE for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 20 May 2014 03:07:13 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f191.google.com with SMTP id r20sf53282wiv.28 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 03:06:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wPBT0KcD8SLyAe29nnTZbjjWXULRjFqiEHCf7t00Gk8=; b=OjuiVQgaX3lgmSDfYrzaabIpCDswBGSPJOXGrOyVp8MFfj5FzjGZo5x2JHcn3T3tqu aqjJjn6s3tiIv5Na3amXyZCnmlhK2ENYrCtEDLaVVpqCYdUJruptglb/jc5GThVoU1W9 HyGbqyr65+PJtYtjoMCisLYodL97eOBLO7sp0MpGIYvXpQgY+cZHtrxwVuBk3S++nyEC iq7f0J4j0g3cK/PtLWFo5PTFIaBTCZRZT2mrOIaJqu5ccOL3YKo6PhpcgbSSQkM/Wwma v7un9GezbRAKToojEWf/YcMvDBg6imaHhPn9jL8jX3AFePTwn3TPLoiR6DfU92p3eQJ1 OFnw== X-Received: by 10.152.205.43 with SMTP id ld11mr12078lac.8.1400580419692; Tue, 20 May 2014 03:06:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.23.71 with SMTP id k7ls33516laf.26.gmail; Tue, 20 May 2014 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.73.232 with SMTP id o8mr2753774lbv.0.1400580418142; Tue, 20 May 2014 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z6si511095wix.1.2014.05.20.03.06.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 20 May 2014 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::234; Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hi2so626843wib.13 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.62.176 with SMTP id z16mr1276179wjr.76.1400580417964; Tue, 20 May 2014 03:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Tue, 20 May 2014 03:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 14:06:57 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] A bunch of mysterious gismu From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba979c24ad23304f9d20ac1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7ba979c24ad23304f9d20ac1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I tried to fill all places of all 1342 gismu with something reasonable. Here are the gismu that are most problematic for me. What do I want? To show at least one usable example of **each** place in these gismu: 1. cmaci x1 is a mathematics of type/describing x2. 1. What is "type"? Please don't cheat with {caltaicmaci} in cmaci1. Is cmaci1 an abstraction? 2. gradu x1 [magnitude] is a unit/degree of/on scale/reference standard x2 (si'o) measuring property x3. 3. gunro x1 rolls/trundles on/against surface x2 rotating on axis/axle x3; x1 is a roller. 4. junla x1 is clock/watch/timer measuring time units x2 to precision x3 with timing mechanism/method x4. 5. junta x1 is the weight of object x2 in [gravitational or other force] field x3. 6. lanxe x1 is in balance/equilibrium under forces x2 (mass). 1. Can lanxe1 be an abstraction? Can lanxe1 be an object? 7. lidne x1 precedes/leads x2 in sequence x3; x1 is former/preceding/previous; x2 is latter/following. 1. Can lidne1 be an abstraction? Can lidne1 be an object? The same question for lidne2 8. pinfu x1 is a prisoner/captive of x2, restrained/held/confined by means/force x3. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7ba979c24ad23304f9d20ac1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I tried to fill all places of all 1342 gismu with som= ething reasonable. Here are the gismu that are most problematic for me.

What do I want? To show at least one usable example o= f *each* place in these gismu:

  1. cmaci x1 is a mathematics of type/describing x2.
    1. What is= "type"? Please don't cheat with {caltaicmaci} in cmaci1. Is = cmaci1 an abstraction?
  2. gradu x1 [magnit= ude] is a unit/degree of/on scale/reference standard x2 (si'o) measurin= g property x3.
  3. gunro= x1 rolls/trundles on/against surface x2 rotating on axis/axle x3; x= 1 is a roller.
  4. junla x1 is cloc= k/watch/timer measuring time units x2 to precision x3 with timing mechanism= /method x4.
  5. junta x1 is the weight of object x2 in [gravitational or other force] field = x3.
  6. lanxe x1 is in b= alance/equilibrium under forces x2 (mass).
    1. Can lanxe1 be an= abstraction?=C2=A0Can lanxe1 be an object?
  7. lidne x1 precedes/leads x2 in sequence x3= ; x1 is former/preceding/previous; x2 is latter/following.
    1. Can lidne1 be an abstraction?=C2=A0Can lidne1 be an object? Th= e same question for lidne2
  8. pinfu x1 is a prisoner/captive of x2, restrained/held/confin= ed by means/force x3.

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