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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] A bunch of mysterious gismu
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On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 14:06:57 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> I tried to fill all places of all 1342 gismu with something reasonable.
> Here are the gismu that are most problematic for me.
> 
> What do I want? To show at least one usable example of **each** place in
> these gismu:
> 
> 
>    1. cmaci x1 is a mathematics of type/describing x2.
>    1. What is "type"? Please don't cheat with {caltaicmaci} in cmaci1. Is
>       cmaci1 an abstraction?

I'd say x1 is a collection of axioms, theorems, methods of computation, etc.

>    2. gradu x1 [magnitude] is a unit/degree of/on scale/reference standard
>    x2 (si'o) measuring property x3.

I don't see how scales can be reference standards. I'm giving an example with 
a reference standard: "lo si'o snidu cu gradu lo nu lo sodnrcezi ratni cu 
slilu 9192631770roi kei lo temci"

>    3. gunro x1 rolls/trundles on/against surface x2 rotating on axis/axle
>    x3; x1 is a roller.

lo xislu cu gunro lo klaji lo jendu .i lo klaji cu stali ni'a lo xislu
La roue sur la rue roule; la rue sous la roue reste.

>    4. junla x1 is clock/watch/timer measuring time units x2 to precision x3
>    with timing mechanism/method x4.

ti junla lo si'o miksnidu li piki'oki'oki'opa lo slilu kuarso

>    5. junta x1 is the weight of object x2 in [gravitational or other force]
>    field x3.

lo niutni be li 863 cu junta mi lo su'u lo terdi cu lacpu

>    6. lanxe x1 is in balance/equilibrium under forces x2 (mass).
>    1. Can lanxe1 be an abstraction? Can lanxe1 be an object?

Both, I think.
lo bolci cu lanxe lo nu lo pinpedi cu sarji ra kei joi lo junta be ru

>    7. lidne x1 precedes/leads x2 in sequence x3; x1 is
>    former/preceding/previous; x2 is latter/following.
>    1. Can lidne1 be an abstraction? Can lidne1 be an object? The same
>       question for lidne2

me'o fy. lidne me'o ky. lo latmo .alfabeta

>    8. pinfu x1 is a prisoner/captive of x2, restrained/held/confined by
>    means/force x3.

la .petros. pinfu la .xerod. lo linsi .iku'i lo .angeli cu zifygau ra

I'd like to see examples of "gucti" and "minli" with all places filled. (They 
disagree; that's not the point. I don't know what's supposed to go in a 
subunits place.)

mu'omi'e .pier.
-- 
sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera

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