Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:49398) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XLiHW-00058N-KK for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:37:11 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id eb12sf2906639oac.26 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:37:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7wxsq99486I5pKMtRCmFOCgDCnG6C15EUSJPzq03Ozg=; b=xhIb/A6RvFzUNWoc7rvLvaECY8X+z2pj5YX6lswl4hb8rm80ZrwCKU44Zk7ISbqVjW 7EvndXqUASPDMPWTD7kHMRkTNlcbTjdFRWEGRuoN+162FhozzNpC+bU6aT5olhZ0Xhtq aPhQk1h6dIysWgTvAD5ejIIKIit27F2hyzGxr9FEAqW6WQSDgxaUQ9xENSGFjpYPNBO4 lakzsL5agCZA/NiIyCfeagjPHs84y2FkM0AR61i68cAEWOJdyUIXyUTBMD0qLeINOdsJ WWqOrPAF0AePqWNUI6oT2o/BkOJwgxRpjFSSza/6QZtitBkHwDJo4QCKe397J4GLYbtl DkLA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7wxsq99486I5pKMtRCmFOCgDCnG6C15EUSJPzq03Ozg=; b=TT+gTcmC9/RzR/3VZp0hn+JmU413xoVSC6xonv3d8s5gdUlw4ciUEcyChXR/5dVNB+ i2tnEYnFQZ15R9JLSfwYUexyFP666cPU7NmMOTafJT/mN5lF5BhM7k4ODiB+K3ONOUSs UhVPpqqQsx6Q195a5Ty7ji+2tk6kPlb8vTka4SXibD8iH2pO9H4yfl0Bb4HbjwmdNpHO LJofKhIOww25sJmNSImKQmnE/tGLPr9TIgxeMQZDTtpoz8VfUet2eeb9U9jV28o9nuLN euUZqdxrkoOaa1pUhA4O9A8lm0D6Q8uwnkg7LM+9Ui0sx6tMRrMiL1GquxQp9/7Nvmz9 kf/g== X-Received: by 10.182.2.106 with SMTP id 10mr18056obt.11.1408927024347; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:37:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.32.6 with SMTP id e6ls616690obi.41.gmail; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.80.170 with SMTP id s10mr18536obx.14.1408927022358; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: lolkomcu To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <050f72ac-b141-4424-9b44-6fd3c1bb2a05@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Repeating specific sumti within the same bridi MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: marimbasfz@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - I might be overthinking this considerably, but is there a way to specify th= at a an entity referred to multiple times in a bridi is the same exact enti= ty each time it is referred to? For instance, le du'u lo dacti cu barda narju bo bolci na nibli le du'u lo dacti cu najni= mre "The fact that an object is a large, orange sphere does not imply the fact = that an object is an orange." is what this appears to say to me, though wha= t I mean to say is more like "Just because *something* is big, round and or= ange doesn't mean [the same *something*] is an orange."=20 In other words, how do I prevent myself from saying something like "the fac= t that one thing (e.g. a basketball) is big, round and orange does not impl= y the fact that some *other* thing (which may not be big, round, or orange = at all e.g. a potato) is an orange," which seems kind of pointless to state= . Also: Do pro-sumti like ri, ra, and ru (and others) imply the same referent= as their first incarnation, or could a "ra" referring to "lo dacti" be ref= erring to an entirely different entity which is also a "dacti"? Can those e= ven refer to internal sumti? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.