Received: from mail-oa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.219.60]:47422) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XMQ5g-0001Ai-BH for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:53 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f60.google.com with SMTP id eb12sf3484383oac.15 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ftB/f1EDXsyCt9UOJA1RgQk0YdrkzIl0DMpRKLgd2CM=; b=bJp3hhEc0rI8c1Q5Uus9SwuQ7nyKCH889QqF+huVpZGpeIyiJ46/Adfnj1UYH03Z/1 /yJsla56k3Ss59HMy/SQPajy348D5zfw3aoUVx007Hhn4esIKhY3WTryMbiKZY8slJfP EpdnU9PmGaQ2LX9F/nF1SqvNvXMrgPUtl0VTtXg2Tj140hlOs7qHL48gYtGCcJbtqJjY N5CAkXcbZKalF6B1etEx5OD1I2NhzbgBhaoCvyBPAO9vSN3CzXFeKtPaf7rcfao3tqvi coBoOBnwVpswDl0MZ29En1fJHFYlQMRfXAY3Tg5+Dw0y6L8j4y03Gc2kbDUNbjGq7BJJ Pyyw== X-Received: by 10.50.57.71 with SMTP id g7mr633355igq.13.1409095426402; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.114.97 with SMTP id jf1ls2519031igb.27.canary; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.187.8 with SMTP id fo8mr20515305pac.32.1409095425313; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x236.google.com (mail-qg0-x236.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ld1si1089474qcb.3.2014.08.26.16.23.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236; Received: by mail-qg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j5so12752371qga.13 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.172.129 with SMTP id l1mr52022332qaz.90.1409095425164; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.167.98 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <90585a7c-1826-4e80-aef3-d83c83d5e8f3@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:23:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] English w and y sounds From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6771aa45bf71050190984b X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b6771aa45bf71050190984b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, I misread. No to gismu, because they're all of form CVCCV or CCVCV, so no diphthongs. Possible but unlikely for lujvo, because of how they're made. Not exclusive to attitudinals, however, as they can be found in cmene and fu'ivla. On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > .ie = "ye(s)" > .ui = "whee!" > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:57 PM, TR NS wrote: > >> Can a gismu or lujvo have a "y" or "w" sound in it (by this I mean the >> English sounds)? Reading about the morphology again, it seems like this >> can't happen. 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Oh, I misread. No to gismu, because they're all of for= m CVCCV or CCVCV, so no diphthongs. Possible but unlikely for lujvo, becaus= e of how they're made. Not exclusive to attitudinals, however, as they = can be found in cmene and fu'ivla.


On Tue,= Aug 26, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:
.ie =3D "ye(s)&qu= ot;
.ui =3D "whee!"
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:57 PM, TR NS <= span dir=3D"ltr"><transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
Can a gismu or lujvo have a= "y" or "w" sound in it (by this I mean the English sou= nds)? Reading about the morphology again, it seems like this can't happ= en. Which means they only ever occur in attitudinals.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys= .

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )



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mu'o mi'e .aion= ys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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