Received: from mail-oa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.219.55]:49870) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XMYWx-0003zL-LN for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:24:36 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id m1sf3775152oag.10 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:24:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HR+P6uCKQQOgcEkx7rDU5QYGJefNhkb8Y2Vi/1jdPik=; b=uUFeO1iiIG0GWsw12RlvDO64wFMNPn8PpqJdVcgFfPIx3cjNE7tttZhOTpJObSk8eW MbkzBukVKB3Xaw/ZfXGDh1XhYP++CWaAJOTmwkqSJnl4LjoRjCr+6VXBdSTtCXMX+FaH wd4IEf1e7AlyQkBgdz3Lp1SYzsNvVFAoHe911ZToRN2L3EWLnlN6mFQJ/JmzInHMyJik g0WsXEr6nRv/IKMpXieViHXYydPKQd+SKQSrCR4CsGn9byqorQeV5/DrV42jV+Fzllk/ j2awkftmsfcM6346au6OT2BNI2UT7+JHxYfRcJ6LCQZ0GMndf8os26FBarda7S9+yWcE yPXw== X-Received: by 10.50.18.17 with SMTP id s17mr692295igd.10.1409127869265; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:24:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.111.135 with SMTP id ii7ls2690016igb.32.canary; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.119.174 with SMTP id kv14mr21326976pab.23.1409127867714; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x230.google.com (mail-qg0-x230.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i4si1328708qcm.0.2014.08.27.01.24.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::230; Received: by mail-qg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i50so16133196qgf.35 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.46.8 with SMTP id h8mr56308078qaf.6.1409127867569; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:23:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9ac63d8c-f4c5-46a0-a195-c861a1be451d@googlegroups.com> References: <90585a7c-1826-4e80-aef3-d83c83d5e8f3@googlegroups.com> <9ac63d8c-f4c5-46a0-a195-c861a1be451d@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 04:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] English w and y sounds To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36122fd759a05019825fb X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c36122fd759a05019825fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, "au" sounds like the vowel in MOUTH. There are 17 rafsi of the form Cau. stevo On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:10 AM, ianek wrote: > What about eg. {glibau}? Isn't it much like "gleebow"? > Likewise for lujvo with *ai, *ei, *oi rafsi. Eg. {vrogai} is like "vroguy" > > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:23:46 AM UTC+2, aionys wrote: > >> Oh, I misread. No to gismu, because they're all of form CVCCV or CCVCV, >> so no diphthongs. Possible but unlikely for lujvo, because of how they're >> made. Not exclusive to attitudinals, however, as they can be found in cmene >> and fu'ivla. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> .ie = "ye(s)" >>> .ui = "whee!" >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:57 PM, TR NS wrote: >>> >>>> Can a gismu or lujvo have a "y" or "w" sound in it (by this I mean the >>>> English sounds)? Reading about the morphology again, it seems like this >>>> can't happen. Which means they only ever occur in attitudinals. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban-beginne...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Yes, "au" sounds like the vowel in MOUTH. There ar= e 17 rafsi of the form Cau.=C2=A0

stevo


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:10 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
What about eg. {glibau}? Is= n't it much like "gleebow"?
Likewise for lujvo with *ai, *= ei, *oi rafsi. Eg. {vrogai} is like "vroguy"


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:23:46 AM UTC+2, aionys wrote:
=
Oh= , I misread. No to gismu, because they're all of form CVCCV or CCVCV, s= o no diphthongs. Possible but unlikely for lujvo, because of how they'r= e made. Not exclusive to attitudinals, however, as they can be found in cme= ne and fu'ivla.


On Tue,= Aug 26, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gm= ail.com> wrote:
= .ie =3D "ye(s)"
.ui =3D "whee!"


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at = 4:57 PM, TR NS <tran...@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Can a= gismu or lujvo have a "y" or "w" sound in it (by this = I mean the English sounds)? Reading about the morphology again, it seems li= ke this can't happen. Which means they only ever occur in attitudinals.=

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mu'o mi'e .a= ionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pa= tfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )



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mu'= o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i d= oi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your fath= er. :D )

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