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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Repeating specific sumti within the same bridi
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> .i la latro'a di'e cusku
>
> There are a number of options. If you're using the same sumti twice in a
>> row, {ri} is perfect for the job; they carry the referent, not the symbol.
>> The counting rule for {ri} is a little weird: it refers to the most recent
>> sumti which is fully closed, where we are counting in order of beginnings.
>> So in {lo nu broda ko'a cu brode ri}, {ri} refers back to {ko'a}, as it is
>> the most recently-begun sumti which is fully closed. This rule is slightly
>> confusing because it does not mean that it refers back to the most
>> recently-closed sumti, which in my example is {lo nu broda ko'a}.
>>
>
> In fact, the ri-series skips other KOhA, except those in the ri-series and
> in the ti-series. There are some KOhA for which I don't think the CLL is
> clear on, namely zo'e and ce'u. I also don't think it's explicit whether BY
> are skipped by the ri-series.
>
Whoops, obvious mistake. Here's a version that avoids that placeholder
pitfall: {lo nu mi vitke lo rirni cu pluka ri}. This the same as {lo nu mi
vitke lo rirni ku goi ko'a cu pluka ko'a}, that is, {ri} refers back to {lo
rirni [ku]}.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Jacob Errington <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">.i la latro&#39;a di&#39;e =
cusku<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div cla=
ss=3D"">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">

<div><div><div><div><div><div>There are a number of options. If you&#39;re =
using the same sumti twice in a row, {ri} is perfect for the job; they carr=
y the referent, not the symbol. The counting rule for {ri} is a little weir=
d: it refers to the most recent sumti which is fully closed, where we are c=
ounting in order of beginnings. So in {lo nu broda ko&#39;a cu brode ri}, {=
ri} refers back to {ko&#39;a}, as it is the most recently-begun sumti which=
 is fully closed. This rule is slightly confusing because it does not mean =
that it refers back to the most recently-closed sumti, which in my example =
is {lo nu broda ko&#39;a}.<br>


</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>In fa=
ct, the ri-series skips other KOhA, except those in the ri-series and in th=
e ti-series. There are some KOhA for which I don&#39;t think the CLL is cle=
ar on, namely zo&#39;e and ce&#39;u. I also don&#39;t think it&#39;s explic=
it whether BY are skipped by the ri-series. <br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Whoops, obvious mistake. Here&#39=
;s a version that avoids that placeholder pitfall: {lo nu mi vitke lo rirni=
 cu pluka ri}. This the same as {lo nu mi vitke lo rirni ku goi ko&#39;a cu=
 pluka ko&#39;a}, that is, {ri} refers back to {lo rirni [ku]}.<br>
<br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div></div>

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