Received: from mail-ob0-f185.google.com ([209.85.214.185]:57009) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XMhwy-000180-No for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:28:05 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f185.google.com with SMTP id wp18sf120719obc.22 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iCWHoIWJkEmHxH2Lmkhgv3n5RRvggO8++VUxLU8WMZE=; b=y0l6Xwy15CrzJMteBj3LQl1oZVd7BcOte6vOMnQgpNz7J8jbCSs7T2A9BQYvysjh3g kXzerG5iRFpjX8qGhmqE+YD/hSuNS89tb5V9dcIVxyx32Km6x4OYpxEq2oS43uFXbln0 C8hPhXyWuHaFlpdMZ59S98UPYiPqEo1L4Xw4eC6lDe3DuUlPVI01hukqehtIu3LzhUig VHtTYVgWr4oeIa+Uyj7pAswh+zPa7VzlS78810w/AcwnYH3b7k/OHqn7EtEwtBE+pZaD gv6zGg5cbdP2Em59H7jDa4/jKDxI13zYaX6eN12MwDW2O1h0QcaqSjWI38iYDAmnK6MT YVzA== X-Received: by 10.140.102.104 with SMTP id v95mr311070qge.6.1409164078124; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.109.117 with SMTP id k108ls276026qgf.3.gmail; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.118.37 with SMTP id k25mr9679045yhh.1.1409164077055; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x235.google.com (mail-qg0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ld1si301947qcb.3.2014.08.27.11.27.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235; Received: by mail-qg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id z60so666606qgd.12 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.46.8 with SMTP id h8mr61972197qaf.6.1409164076911; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:27:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:27:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <90585a7c-1826-4e80-aef3-d83c83d5e8f3@googlegroups.com> <9ac63d8c-f4c5-46a0-a195-c861a1be451d@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:27:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] English w and y sounds To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c361223c2e0e0501a094d6 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c361223c2e0e0501a094d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There are also rafsi Cai, Cei, and Coi so the 'y' sound can occur in lujvo with those rafsi. stevo On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 4:23 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > Yes, "au" sounds like the vowel in MOUTH. There are 17 rafsi of the form > Cau. > > stevo > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:10 AM, ianek wrote: > >> What about eg. {glibau}? Isn't it much like "gleebow"? >> Likewise for lujvo with *ai, *ei, *oi rafsi. Eg. {vrogai} is like "vroguy" >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:23:46 AM UTC+2, aionys wrote: >> >>> Oh, I misread. No to gismu, because they're all of form CVCCV or CCVCV, >>> so no diphthongs. Possible but unlikely for lujvo, because of how they're >>> made. Not exclusive to attitudinals, however, as they can be found in cmene >>> and fu'ivla. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jonathan Jones >>> wrote: >>> >>>> .ie = "ye(s)" >>>> .ui = "whee!" >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:57 PM, TR NS wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can a gismu or lujvo have a "y" or "w" sound in it (by this I mean the >>>>> English sounds)? Reading about the morphology again, it seems like this >>>>> can't happen. Which means they only ever occur in attitudinals. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban-beginne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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There are also rafsi Cai, Cei, and Coi so the '= ;y' sound can occur in lujvo with those rafsi.=C2=A0

stevo


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 4:23 AM, MorphemeAddict <lyt= lesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, "au" sounds li= ke the vowel in MOUTH. There are 17 rafsi of the form Cau.=C2=A0

stevo


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at= 3:10 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
What about eg. {glibau}? Is= n't it much like "gleebow"?
Likewise for lujvo with *ai, *= ei, *oi rafsi. Eg. {vrogai} is like "vroguy"


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:23:46 AM UTC+2, aionys wrote:
=
Oh, I misread= . No to gismu, because they're all of form CVCCV or CCVCV, so no diphth= ongs. Possible but unlikely for lujvo, because of how they're made. Not= exclusive to attitudinals, however, as they can be found in cmene and fu&#= 39;ivla.


On Tue, Aug 26, 20= 14 at 5:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com= > wrote:
.ie =3D &qu= ot;ye(s)"
.ui =3D "whee!"


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:57 PM, TR= NS <tran...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can a gismu or l= ujvo have a "y" or "w" sound in it (by this I mean the = English sounds)? Reading about the morphology again, it seems like this can= 't happen. Which means they only ever occur in attitudinals.

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<= br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#= 39;o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )



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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi = patfu do zo'o
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