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From: Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:50:29 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] English w and y sounds
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On 27 August 2014 18:16, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:36:57 PM UTC-4, tsani wrote:
>
>> On 27 August 2014 16:12, TR NS <tran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me ask a follow-up question. How would something like "caio"
>>> (sha-yo) be interpreted? I assume it will be considered two cmavo, "ca" and
>>> "io". But then I (almost) never see a word like "io" used anywhere but at
>>> the beginning of a sentence and never with out a clear stop `.io`.
>>>
>>
>> It can only be interpreted as {ca io}, and the dot before the word "io"
>> is not necessary, since the approximant there is a consonant, not a vowel.
>> In other words, it's the sound /j/ and not /i/, despite the spelling. The
>> appearance of this consonant forces the beginning of a new syllable (all
>> syllables begin with a consonant), and the word boundary is determined by
>> the lack of stress / consonant clusters around.
>>
>
> Except for `'` (h).
>
>
The appearance of the apostrophe also causes a new syllable to appear, e.g.
{caho} is composed of the syllables "ca" and "ho" (I'm spelling it h to
help with reading only). What I said about all syllables beginning with
consonants was true.
I wasn't fully precise though when I said that the word boundary was
determined by the lack of stress or consonant clusters: h prevents word
boundaries.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 27 August 2014 18:16, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:36:57 PM UTC-4, ts=
ani wrote:<div class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">

On 27 August 2014 16:12, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>tran...@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Let me ask a follow-up question. How would something =
like &quot;caio&quot; (sha-yo) be interpreted? I assume it will be consider=
ed two cmavo, &quot;ca&quot; and &quot;io&quot;. But then I (almost) never =
see a word like &quot;io&quot; used anywhere but at the beginning of a sent=
ence and never with out a clear stop `.io`. <br>


</div></div></blockquote></div><br>It can only be interpreted as {ca io}, a=
nd the dot before the word &quot;io&quot; is not necessary, since the appro=
ximant there is a consonant, not a vowel. In other words, it&#39;s the soun=
d /j/ and not /i/, despite the spelling. The appearance of this consonant f=
orces the beginning of a new syllable (all syllables begin with a consonant=
), and the word boundary is determined by the lack of stress / consonant cl=
usters around.<br>

</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Except for `&#39;` (h).<=
/div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>The appearance of the apostrophe also =
causes a new syllable to appear, e.g. {caho} is composed of the syllables &=
quot;ca&quot; and &quot;ho&quot; (I&#39;m spelling it h to help with readin=
g only). What I said about all syllables beginning with consonants was true=
.<br>

I wasn&#39;t fully precise though when I said that the word boundary was de=
termined by the lack of stress or consonant clusters: h prevents word bound=
aries.<br><br>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div></div>

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