Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:55971) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XO1iu-0005bg-2S for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 02:47:05 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f189.google.com with SMTP id d1sf479574wiv.16 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 02:46:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vgx6vYq2mbYI0BGnl0BBiCuwGl75rM2fpx0J+kASn5M=; b=wbnCkm36fhonZ8VYPj0cZDxWRRUgUf5rw/Q45ORy8oStMOF8bsXP9yxdppfFtFWla2 LJkO1kDpcBVddruUdwDA48+SU56Jjg/TDQpHF4zBAsaIIEcbW7HOUrQyOU43jWcdXRS1 mGSwIhW7y6+guxmuP46DacuPTOTVhwuWAHbZ7j0yx1YxGIdx9jYt0W+ticxhay9GKinq s5ur4pJRUPiAmN+ZFqQp8beIp7a+We93LdD/7L/ArSBBD+4OzMbVMz3iQ6Zw5DT3Vhl9 FKaseEwZ9g9/uXtYc7UaYsr+0ENcDFOTKsyZbrBw4mRGdZuzP2KpfLRTLoxFy0ijDhZW 1zQg== X-Received: by 10.180.198.165 with SMTP id jd5mr49492wic.0.1409478411985; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 02:46:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.36.41 with SMTP id n9ls276453wij.4.gmail; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 02:46:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.184.209 with SMTP id ew17mr3315wjc.4.1409478410563; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 02:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pw5si852862lbb.0.2014.08.31.02.46.50 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 31 Aug 2014 02:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from [192.168.2.118] ([93.220.125.183]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKpvc-1XO1ik0A3U-00053F for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:46:50 +0200 Message-ID: <5402EF0B.6050902@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:46:51 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How many words? References: <2392932.W34PnnoCO1@caracal> <5401FB4F.9060905@lojban.org> <82913435.AF1jqtuUYF@caracal> In-Reply-To: <82913435.AF1jqtuUYF@caracal> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:VW5kEheFy38JYaZZa+JBa5iOFM7HvWll8rSBgH7jU3pQ7Z47duJ GIZpgMNikJkp2hKDgM4XCwzU+9dzCzgploat5nkC3baQLvZKp1yDZsbNhpb6CEe4/1VxP2d 0DEzYeLqW1x7lb1JOOWNFvIBdATvj1CbsZ6wG1m0KPjuJbqAk/Ys5N7edLln4CIu4fSxt01 4qMuL+rsWOVqCr+nctU8A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - la .pier. cu cusku > You can use a type-2 fu'ivla with a place structure: ko'a me la .xalkymelem. > lo ka se bangu gi'eku'i me la .lycutsid. lo ka xabju. (*kei) That is what the ma'oste suggests, but that's not how it's defined in the CLL nor under xorlo (where it is the among-relation). {x1 me SUMTI} means "x1 is/are among the referents of SUMTI". I might say ko'a ckini la .xalkymelem. lo ka se bangu kei gi'e ku'i ckini la .lycutsid. lo ka xabju mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.