Received: from mail-yk0-f186.google.com ([209.85.160.186]:63764) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XO5cz-0007Yl-9H for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 06:57:10 -0700 Received: by mail-yk0-f186.google.com with SMTP id 10sf6178ykt.3 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 06:57:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MVjzUFi5ZegS3rB/eZgP9xtf4nHUu4c/DWJYhwNpqz0=; b=glVPqnrlMTyM7UFs8OonMx5F8k1VOGnO+9IKdaDq0bWV+D6ohEGyYDUmrYZDUHbxTA MScSjrF/g8QDIkwvaW4FsgbP+G7H/gmcKvAwdtxVvg9rG0Fvp5XCdmYLNEv8Jnp6Z89Y teny9ogyCR96zJtZ4tQdZC5oVKD07BDBBgQ2A+vg601J5hZhTRvHsKcH2zPe6HSgVVp6 Mkb3tk4ZiZRvXjnG4MVAsIhW6lx8KaxsGtUPLTiMG8sOEwToXLiS7y1CxAvMwf3Od1n/ tV+VuE9xZkDF5Zl9FCYW8jAFQ5iBZtv5f7aSLAJ8bzv1pMYGYik+qrWwcW/Ga31eYvLe G/EA== X-Received: by 10.140.82.81 with SMTP id g75mr4351qgd.12.1409493422335; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 06:57:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.102.23 with SMTP id v23ls1623665qge.51.gmail; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 06:57:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.87.205 with SMTP id y53mr2451213yhe.39.1409493421470; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 06:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.225]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t11si679977pdl.0.2014.08.31.06.57.00 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 06:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.225; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:54794] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 27/35-25065-CA923045; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:57:00 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B8D48D6 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How many words? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:56:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1526300.J22Unz5jLh@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-34-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5402EF0B.6050902@gmx.de> References: <82913435.AF1jqtuUYF@caracal> <5402EF0B.6050902@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:46:51 selpa'i wrote: > That is what the ma'oste suggests, but that's not how it's defined in > the CLL nor under xorlo (where it is the among-relation). {x1 me SUMTI} > means "x1 is/are among the referents of SUMTI". > > I might say > > ko'a ckini la .xalkymelem. lo ka se bangu kei gi'e ku'i ckini la > .lycutsid. lo ka xabju > > mi'e la selpa'i mu'o So how do you convert a sumti to a selbri, without imposing a particular place structure? I may want to say "ta me la'o .ly. Cucurbitaceae .ly. la'o .ly. Sicyos .ly". Of course that's a silly example, since we have the word "guzme", but there are lots of families that don't have common names in Lojban. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.