Received: from mail-ob0-f190.google.com ([209.85.214.190]:32974) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XQjBY-00059Q-Nr for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 13:35:45 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f190.google.com with SMTP id va2sf3010843obc.27 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 13:35:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=TCzYnOu4OhkuNhP+mafM3rLJ6bvXb4RZmf2s4XC5CCg=; b=d7Wq9oP0A4fVKHx+WU4fShU12SFrn3BbK1647Bf9XaRs7EjeqTSDnf0Ty2+Fml426u FlwVhSwwQEst8mFuCr3XsGn7nirubaGUbLFC0ChsriXHSkdYOhI72SsAM9uJ9TafJiGj aAwSc5X+w+emFYdbngHI0w/UQSScjKXLabyGnlnIJ8DKNVUFxbjsAYyRfrBRlHSVy9Ve 5yUsm6l4AK372mtSt3ivfkQNXBjx7Y3PCo64JAoqRb19GYnqZ4eYnSzEuaK8KCiIQkZJ i7iKtQditBK1ZPx4gVmKW/UAC5kZsxj/dGxvUIYTyUUtPn4b19fUDIvv61tuQ1w2RM+P A13g== X-Received: by 10.183.1.34 with SMTP id bd2mr35096obd.6.1410122138206; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 13:35:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.104.231 with SMTP id gh7ls576835obb.93.gmail; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 13:35:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.245.134 with SMTP id xo6mr15425147obc.40.1410122136161; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 13:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22a.google.com (mail-vc0-x22a.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cd2si267027vdc.0.2014.09.07.13.35.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Sep 2014 13:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a; Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hy4so20139vcb.15 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 13:35:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.168.74 with SMTP id t10mr2891203vcy.35.1410122136048; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 13:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.204.203 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 13:35:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8337FE1190FA4F7899AE3CE39A7F6111@gmail.com> References: <8337FE1190FA4F7899AE3CE39A7F6111@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:35:36 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] kiwi fu'ivla vs. the morphology From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2bb1e025a7605027fa52d X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2bb1e025a7605027fa52d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Alex Burka wrote: > > Wuzzy raised a good question, which is whether my new fu'ivla {grutrkiui} > is pronounced ?{grut,r,ki,ui} or ?{grut,r,kiu,i} (and similarly for the > other one). Of course I intended the former pronunciation. And I think > that=E2=80=99s the correct one, given the current morphology. But it seem= s to me > the answer would be different using the old CLL morphology. My reasoning = is > below. Do you agree? > You're correct about the vowels. Not that it makes much difference, but the camxes syllables would be gru,tr,ki,ui Consonantal syllables consist always of exactly two consonants, with the second one being one of l, m, n, r. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c2bb1e025a7605027fa52d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Alex Burka <durka42@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:

Wuzzy raised a good question, which is = whether my new fu'ivla {grutrkiui} is pronounced ?{grut,r,ki,ui} or ?{g= rut,r,kiu,i} (and similarly for the other one). Of course I intended the fo= rmer pronunciation. And I think that=E2=80=99s the correct one, given the c= urrent morphology. But it seems to me the answer would be different using t= he old CLL morphology. My reasoning is below. Do you agree?

You're correct about the vowels. Not that it mak= es much difference, but the camxes syllables would be gru,tr,ki,ui=C2=A0
Consonantal syllables consist always of exactly two consonants, wit= h the second one being one of l, m, n, r.=C2=A0

mu= 'o mi'e xorxes

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