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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] kiwi fu'ivla vs. the morphology
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Stage 3.5 means that it is morphologically stage 4 but was made in the
fashion of a stage 3 (which in this case would have been {cipnrkivi}). This
isn't an entirely well-defined concept, of course.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, September 07, 2014 16:12:19 Alex Burka wrote:
> > Yesterday, I went to the farmers=E2=80=99 market and bought some kiwi b=
erries.
> Then,
> > I entered some stage-3 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi fruits and kiwi berries=
 (they are
> > different, as I learned yesterday!) into jbovlaste. I spelled them
> > {grutrkiui} and {jbarnkiui}. It may be relevant to note that there is
> > already a stage-3.5 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi bird, but spelled {cpirkiv=
i}.
>
> What's a stage 3.5 fu'ivla? {cpirkivi} is stage 4, not stage 3, and has t=
he
> same form (in terms of valid initial pairs or not) as {skalduna}.
>
> As to the Chinese gooseberry, which I mentioned on IRC: I forgot the word
> for
> gooseberry, which is {grosulari} (or {grosularia}), but a kiwifruit is no=
t
> {jungo grosulari}, as it belongs to a different order than the gooseberry=
.
>
> All berries are fruits and all kiwifruits are berries. What should go in
> x2 of
> {rutrkiui} or {jbarnkiui} (or {aktinidia}) to distinguish the species?
>
> Pierre
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Stage 3.5 means that it is morphologically stage 4 bu=
t was made in the fashion of a stage 3 (which in this case would have been =
{cipnrkivi}). This isn&#39;t an entirely well-defined concept, of course.<b=
r><br></div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Pierre=
 Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D=
"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Sunday, September 07, 2014 16:12:19 Alex Burka =
wrote:<br>
&gt; Yesterday, I went to the farmers=E2=80=99 market and bought some kiwi =
berries. Then,<br>
&gt; I entered some stage-3 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi fruits and kiwi berrie=
s (they are<br>
&gt; different, as I learned yesterday!) into jbovlaste. I spelled them<br>
&gt; {grutrkiui} and {jbarnkiui}. It may be relevant to note that there is<=
br>
&gt; already a stage-3.5 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi bird, but spelled {cpirki=
vi}.<br>
<br>
</span>What&#39;s a stage 3.5 fu&#39;ivla? {cpirkivi} is stage 4, not stage=
 3, and has the<br>
same form (in terms of valid initial pairs or not) as {skalduna}.<br>
<br>
As to the Chinese gooseberry, which I mentioned on IRC: I forgot the word f=
or<br>
gooseberry, which is {grosulari} (or {grosularia}), but a kiwifruit is not<=
br>
{jungo grosulari}, as it belongs to a different order than the gooseberry.<=
br>
<br>
All berries are fruits and all kiwifruits are berries. What should go in x2=
 of<br>
{rutrkiui} or {jbarnkiui} (or {aktinidia}) to distinguish the species?<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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