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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> The missing concept includes opening a file, accessing a webpage, opening a
> cupboard, opening a book, or accessing a memory location. Opening a
> cupboard
> is "kargau", but that's what you do to the door; I'm talking about what
> you do
> to the cupboard. Any suggestions?
>

I can't think of anything better than that, honestly. Is there any language
which uses a word that means something other than "open"? Can you express
the concept you're talking about in any language that you know, in a
dictionary definition way, as opposed to the list of examples you gave?

Going way off the deep end, the act of opening a, say, cardboard box is
basically transforming a hollow, convex cube into a concave...
hexahedron?... for the purposes of gaining access to what was the interior,
but that seems to me just a very esoteric and wordy way to convey the exact
same thing "opening a box".

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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ed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
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is &quot;kargau&quot;, but that&#39;s what you do to the door; I&#39;m talk=
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to the cupboard. Any suggestions?<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div></div>I can=
&#39;t think of anything better than that, honestly. Is there any language =
which uses a word that means something other than &quot;open&quot;? Can you=
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, in a dictionary definition way, as opposed to the list of examples you ga=
ve?<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Going way off the deep end, the=
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onvex cube into a concave... hexahedron?... for the purposes of gaining acc=
ess to what was the interior, but that seems to me just a very esoteric and=
 wordy way to convey the exact same thing &quot;opening a box&quot;.<br cle=
ar=3D"all"></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .a=
ionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pa=
tfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</div></div>

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