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From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bae47e6e0f8380502b69df3 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bae47e6e0f8380502b69df3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 zo ra enai zo ri 2014-09-10 18:08 GMT+04:00 Jonathan Jones : > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ko jorne la'e li 911 >> > > .i na nelci lonu do pilno zo jorne la'edi'u .iku'i radji'i.ei lodu'u ri > mapti > > >> i zo aktygau cu su'oroi mapti >> >> 2014-09-10 17:51 GMT+04:00 Jonathan Jones : >> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> jorne >>>> >>> >>> ??? >>> >>> >>>> 2014-09-10 17:36 GMT+04:00 Jonathan Jones : >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Pierre Abbat >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The missing concept includes opening a file, accessing a webpage, >>>>>> opening a >>>>>> cupboard, opening a book, or accessing a memory location. Opening a >>>>>> cupboard >>>>>> is "kargau", but that's what you do to the door; I'm talking about >>>>>> what you do >>>>>> to the cupboard. Any suggestions? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can't think of anything better than that, honestly. Is there any >>>>> language which uses a word that means something other than "open"? Can you >>>>> express the concept you're talking about in any language that you know, in >>>>> a dictionary definition way, as opposed to the list of examples you gave? >>>>> >>>>> Going way off the deep end, the act of opening a, say, cardboard box >>>>> is basically transforming a hollow, convex cube into a concave... >>>>> hexahedron?... for the purposes of gaining access to what was the interior, >>>>> but that seems to me just a very esoteric and wordy way to convey the exact >>>>> same thing "opening a box". >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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zo ra enai zo ri

2014-09-10 18:08 GMT+04:00 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus= @gmail.com>:
O= n Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com> wrote:
ko jorne la'e li 911

<= div>.i na nelci lonu do pilno zo jorne la'edi'u .iku'i radji= 9;i.ei lodu'u ri mapti
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i zo aktyg= au cu su'oroi mapti
2014-09-10 17:51 GMT+04:00 Jonathan Jones <eye= onus@gmail.com>:
On Wed, Sep = 10, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
jor= ne

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On Wed, Se= p 10, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrot= e:
The missing concept includes opening a file, accessing a webpage, opening a=
cupboard, opening a book, or accessing a memory location. Opening a cupboar= d
is "kargau", but that's what you do to the door; I'm talk= ing about what you do
to the cupboard. Any suggestions?
=C2=A0
I can't think of anything better than that, honestly. Is there any= language which uses a word that means something other than "open"= ;? Can you express the concept you're talking about in any language tha= t you know, in a dictionary definition way, as opposed to the list of examp= les you gave?

Going way off the dee= p end, the act of opening a, say, cardboard box is basically transforming a= hollow, convex cube into a concave... hexahedron?... for the purposes of g= aining access to what was the interior, but that seems to me just a very es= oteric and wordy way to convey the exact same thing "opening a box&quo= t;.

--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. = :D )

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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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