Received: from mail-we0-f187.google.com ([74.125.82.187]:58224) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XT1zQ-0006DS-Cr for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:44 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f187.google.com with SMTP id q58sf204044wes.14 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MPneux4BmNHjs6s1nb+74L/lZ2G8O5+gou1ZQPNwPjo=; b=SejNXmAWvfnfTgBCc25yPGXNn8U1tuB8as0QFr92mk9mvSGBa+s63nP/sdGHSmwXTT UuOvxQ1iO6wnHeClcdlXY2QxV0LMfO4hctg+JO3cyTB009lpEfvasjaYMz/3+VPdaXy4 JQ8K50krIG7fjBixeUDmMZeGQFXe0oPYlYh1AsVoS2ig8zL1XJ1/O+5H+VE15HLf0LaK RPQICuJYyIYUKQY8Y1XEm3W0KIVcUc+JKRASGIrdkoqxSzYtAnbCIsxATyXR2bHUqTGb Emc9mjl4dA2xkM3s44UfU+DDhKLD+ISgF1JQAJ8ydm0aBErT5o9VtT8WxqwX5aUAAEwj Jd1Q== X-Received: by 10.152.19.226 with SMTP id i2mr4597lae.5.1410671077625; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.44.229 with SMTP id h5ls293135lam.4.gmail; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.163.104 with SMTP id yh8mr5281884lbb.5.1410671073639; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6si401966wiy.0.2014.09.13.22.04.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::233; Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id k14so2465933wgh.10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.20.148 with SMTP id n20mr14702959wie.22.1410671073542; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:04:33 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] cripu2 vs. cripu3, vorme vs. vorme3 From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53f345d3bc6950502ff7423 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --bcaec53f345d3bc6950502ff7423 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 {cripu} = x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, typically destination first]. See also bargu, kruca, ragve, kuspe. What is destination? The direction of the road traffic on the bridge or the direction the bridge was built in? Imagine: {puente} = x1 is a bridge/span over/across points x2 (plural, use {jo'u}). See also bargu, kruca, ragve, kuspe. Sometimes bridges can span over more than two points (a more rare case but still stands). It looks like {cripu} is describing a more rare case than "bridge" in general. A similar question for {vorme3} vs. {vorme4}. Why not merging them into one "plural" place? Yet another question is about mosra2 and mosra3. It sounds like mosra3 is immobilized and mosra2 is rubbing against it. But here {simxu lo ka ce' ce'u te mosra} would solve the problem. The same for tavla1/tavla2 (and not casnu1) where the relation isn't equal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --bcaec53f345d3bc6950502ff7423 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
{cripu} =3D x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 betwee= n x3 and x4 [unordered, typically destination first]. See also bargu, kruca= , ragve, kuspe.

What is destination? The direction= of the road traffic on the bridge or the direction the bridge was built in= ?

Imagine:
{puente} =3D x1 is a bri= dge/span over/across points x2 (plural, use {jo'u}). See also bargu, kr= uca, ragve, kuspe.

Sometimes bridges can spa= n over more than two points (a more rare case but still stands).
= It looks like {cripu} is describing a more rare case than "bridge"= ; in general.

A similar question for {vorme3} vs. = {vorme4}. Why not merging them into one "plural" place?

Yet another question is about mosra2 and mosra3. It sounds = like mosra3 is immobilized and mosra2 is rubbing against it.=C2=A0
But here {simxu lo ka ce' ce'u te mosra} would solve the problem.=
The same for tavla1/tavla2 (and not casnu1) where the relation i= sn't equal.

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