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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> i mi kancu lo prenu li pa re lo kanla
> i mi kancu fo lo nu stapa
>
> Which usage of kancu4 is more correct? Both?
>

The first one says that there are exactly two of the eyes which you are
using as the units to count people, which barely makes sense. Which two
eyes were they, the left one and the right one? But then say at least "ro
re lo kanla" so we are not left to wonder whether there are other eyes that
were not used. And since you came to the same result using each unit, does
that mean there were twelve people and everyone had two eyes, or just that
there were at leat twelve people and the number of people with no left eye
was equal to the number with no right eye?

As for the second one, yes, you can use steps as the unit, but without
context we don't know what you are counting.

In general, x4 will be the same things that you are counting, but an
example where the unit is something other that what you are counting could
be:

  mi kancu lo prenu li pa re lo re mei
  I counted the people as 12 couples.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>i mi kancu lo prenu li pa re lo kanla<br></div>i mi kancu fo =
lo nu stapa<br><div><br></div><div>Which usage of kancu4 is more correct? B=
oth?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The first one says that th=
ere are exactly two of the eyes which you are using as the units to count p=
eople, which barely makes sense. Which two eyes were they, the left one and=
 the right one? But then say at least &quot;ro re lo kanla&quot; so we are =
not left to wonder whether there are other eyes that were not used. And sin=
ce you came to the same result using each unit, does that mean there were t=
welve people and everyone had two eyes, or just that there were at leat twe=
lve people and the number of people with no left eye was equal to the numbe=
r with no right eye?</div><div><br></div><div>As for the second one, yes, y=
ou can use steps as the unit, but without context we don&#39;t know what yo=
u are counting.</div><div><br></div><div>In general, x4 will be the same th=
ings that you are counting, but an example where the unit is something othe=
r that what you are counting could be:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 mi k=
ancu lo prenu li pa re lo re mei</div><div>=C2=A0 I counted the people as 1=
2 couples.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br>=
</div></div></div></div>

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