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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] kiwi fu'ivla vs. the morphology
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Sorry, I made up the dubious term "stage 3.5 fu'ivla" for words like=20
{cpirkivi} or {djarspageti} which are stage-4 fu'ivla but clearly=20
reminiscent of a stage-3 because they start with a CCV rafsi.

mu'o mi'e la durka

El domingo, 7 de septiembre de 2014 20:01:23 UTC-4, Pierre Abbat escribi=C3=
=B3:
>
> On Sunday, September 07, 2014 16:12:19 Alex Burka wrote:=20
> > Yesterday, I went to the farmers=E2=80=99 market and bought some kiwi b=
erries.=20
> Then,=20
> > I entered some stage-3 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi fruits and kiwi berries=
 (they=20
> are=20
> > different, as I learned yesterday!) into jbovlaste. I spelled them=20
> > {grutrkiui} and {jbarnkiui}. It may be relevant to note that there is=
=20
> > already a stage-3.5 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi bird, but spelled {cpirkiv=
i}.=20
>
> What's a stage 3.5 fu'ivla? {cpirkivi} is stage 4, not stage 3, and has=
=20
> the=20
> same form (in terms of valid initial pairs or not) as {skalduna}.=20
>
> As to the Chinese gooseberry, which I mentioned on IRC: I forgot the word=
=20
> for=20
> gooseberry, which is {grosulari} (or {grosularia}), but a kiwifruit is no=
t=20
> {jungo grosulari}, as it belongs to a different order than the gooseberry=
.=20
>
> All berries are fruits and all kiwifruits are berries. What should go in=
=20
> x2 of=20
> {rutrkiui} or {jbarnkiui} (or {aktinidia}) to distinguish the species?=20
>
> Pierre=20
> --=20
> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.=20
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry, I made up the dubious term "stage 3.5 fu'ivla" for =
words like {cpirkivi} or {djarspageti} which are stage-4 fu'ivla but clearl=
y reminiscent of a stage-3 because they start with a CCV rafsi.<br><br>mu'o=
 mi'e la durka<br><br>El domingo, 7 de septiembre de 2014 20:01:23 UTC-4, P=
ierre Abbat escribi=C3=B3:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On S=
unday, September 07, 2014 16:12:19 Alex Burka wrote:
<br>&gt; Yesterday, I went to the farmers=E2=80=99 market and bought some k=
iwi berries. Then,
<br>&gt; I entered some stage-3 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi fruits and kiwi be=
rries (they are
<br>&gt; different, as I learned yesterday!) into jbovlaste. I spelled them
<br>&gt; {grutrkiui} and {jbarnkiui}. It may be relevant to note that there=
 is
<br>&gt; already a stage-3.5 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi bird, but spelled {cp=
irkivi}.
<br>
<br>What's a stage 3.5 fu'ivla? {cpirkivi} is stage 4, not stage 3, and has=
 the=20
<br>same form (in terms of valid initial pairs or not) as {skalduna}.
<br>
<br>As to the Chinese gooseberry, which I mentioned on IRC: I forgot the wo=
rd for=20
<br>gooseberry, which is {grosulari} (or {grosularia}), but a kiwifruit is =
not=20
<br>{jungo grosulari}, as it belongs to a different order than the gooseber=
ry.
<br>
<br>All berries are fruits and all kiwifruits are berries. What should go i=
n x2 of=20
<br>{rutrkiui} or {jbarnkiui} (or {aktinidia}) to distinguish the species?
<br>
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.
<br>
<br></blockquote></div>

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