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From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb04c7a5efbb505036a1942 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb04c7a5efbb505036a1942 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-09-19 16:06 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> x1 is private/personal/privy/[secret/confidential/confined] to x2; x1 is >> not-public/hidden. >> >> Also: x1 is secret (one sense); *x2 is in the know/in touch with/privy >> to x1* (=3D selsivni for reordered places); exclusion can be expressed b= y >> na'e(bo) in x2: excluded/in the dark (=3D nalselsivni). 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2014-09-19 16:06 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.co= m>:


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <<= a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.= name@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div>x1 is private/personal/privy/[secret/confidential/confined] to x2; x1 i= s not-public/hidden.

Also: x1 is secret (one sense= ); x2 is in the know/in touch with/privy to x1 (=3D selsivni for reo= rdered places); exclusion can be expressed by na'e(bo) in x2: excluded/= in the dark (=3D nalselsivni). See also gubni, mipri.

<= div>
Don't you think that the text in bold contradict the= definition?

The de= finition may be a little confusing, but "private to x2" means x2 = is the only one who knows about it.
e.g.: "How can I keep my phot= os private to me only?"

<= div>"privy" confused me since it was used in a different way two = times in the def.=C2=A0

=

mu'o mi'ne xorxes=C2=A0

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