Received: from mail-qg0-f55.google.com ([209.85.192.55]:52679) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XWolT-0002k7-NN for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:46:08 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f55.google.com with SMTP id z60sf975319qgd.0 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:45:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ir6giCgNiqHtxILDT+YJcaccJ5SPKOxwMP/Mi3wWsh4=; b=BLbxPlB3p9LVmWlkVdwg42HYWPhfACzk0tkhDp6Wu9K1bvEpoETfkOynLitc2mJWaO uMJXsy6pg5aqrzGl2SLptxU/6wOfk1x3k8c+BuREVQpiDyBF0Du8AoRjOTzjliMMdP2m /A7D1rmNYxlq2cj/nGBlPSJhSvxtq/aPrwiK5kiH22/NqzKXL53oiKMN3N6+yg8N8XQ3 vg94r+os/6c9uDqDuCqDGOJjmWjsRxirE17sMVfaqs5o+YhDaSxEs73gP3mGE2HgyUiH LMcwEyPMCmPjCE6Bse1OLt+hYw8UoDR1+WkJMe0Goy/gNYJbFCk86t5WSCXJliBjGiqm MlIQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ir6giCgNiqHtxILDT+YJcaccJ5SPKOxwMP/Mi3wWsh4=; b=Xu7zWA0GtZSGQNS19Tps1VGy1idV3TosBUUEv64IGqw75ACXCm+6V0QedLrBB/oRBc YsaIyV2CsdflEF+SMZGHBy7KJG2wclqHnMrAsxpfS2dm/JNrlObmJ4MhRXRa5J3d0t7r hiShc0264cGgQV0Li5fYGkICZ/0RON7h3+EErRWPfRMDTbvBdoiqVhK69OQc/ZsaVaab 055G6zdAXXZ9i7vY29sdgkbZF+W4iEKR0l//asH1we+hIw/CxYmysImDWd1zOCqiePmy 9tLacUmNZNbHm0rjt6U2cz7wTRHw2x7+GA6GfIFnibLlwFCVCkvULw+7VmTkygq188/S /L/Q== X-Received: by 10.140.109.100 with SMTP id k91mr9119qgf.26.1411573553500; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.96.42 with SMTP id j39ls577309qge.89.gmail; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.18.161 with SMTP id 30mr9031qgf.31.1411573552326; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <9bc279e1-7b02-4bce-8290-377cded6aa0e@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] precise tenru MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_470_56412700.1411573551316" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_470_56412700.1411573551316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 So the seltau and tertau of a tenru have an ambiguous (aka metaphorical) relationship that is left to the reader/listener to determine (by convention and context). But what if one wanted to be more specific. e.g. from example 5.2.8 of the CLL: klama jubme A number of possible interpretations are given. The first and most obvious is "a-goer type-of-table". What if I wanted to make that interpretation quite clear so there could be no other interpretation? I can't say: klama .e jubme b/c that would mean a "a goer and a table". I want to say in effect "x is a goer and x is a table". How to do that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_470_56412700.1411573551316 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So the seltau and tertau of a tenru have an ambiguous (aka= metaphorical) relationship that is left to the reader/listener to determin= e (by convention and context). But what if one wanted to be more specific. = e.g. from example 5.2.8 of the CLL:

    klama = jubme

A number of possible interpretations are giv= en. The first and most obvious is "a-goer type-of-table". What if I wanted = to make that interpretation quite clear so there could be no other interpre= tation? I can't say:

    klama .e jubme<= /div>

b/c that would mean a "a goer and a table". I want= to say in effect "x is a goer and x is a table". How to do that?



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