Received: from mail-oi0-f64.google.com ([209.85.218.64]:51717) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XXN7a-0002E9-3s for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:27:09 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f64.google.com with SMTP id a141sf2005271oig.19 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:26:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=93yEtf84Hj7zaF/4IW83OmVf9p9CO7tR6yZ6nqjimOo=; b=PAOdBJgPZ5S1+2BgmAD0938K2HHyBkYDpOiuK/4mgROn3J1au5YSulOBgJLSPpUaa8 gSc5a66QM4sjyybu8Er925PTfJGXXhl0sccudPtG1jntUcrEUexvCJYQfKoc+iltvyNz l7lkwbY8sSsU3qdKSM+cSlfUPAaTPO3C9A2Jl3sakJjk7g2OUD3akfNYlWmOo+7igb/p +EPj1LyG9apdPISiQgGMjot8tXTbfWuJ/eTBf2UGaL42bO9FcShNk2sU1edsn2DpDgiz e51muYKTLaaGj7BP/bo8b4ReR/D0yIzeenGmrHJUlcbl2cwyx5XXKX59jUDHGqah9nsH v1kA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=93yEtf84Hj7zaF/4IW83OmVf9p9CO7tR6yZ6nqjimOo=; b=akCD4cvO0YadFjZBlqGoWisep7UuNEMFvrV/VlMn/K4DsdkLFduohc85q4D0BiPsFn ho5QKjJRAmPrgkyQXvoUQmwufktPgY26g6RfzW5BRilw5Mqcg2DW6FYP1PJPBjLlZqC/ W5DXbRNDP3Xezi/ekI/IgqZ6yc+ixwXgXCUQHELZ8Hu1mwHESPNzmovtSfFGO6TQLIkE Wb3XJoWqdzuOPwBmDu7uA7wAp+rz9Q03qRtq22exyoDvU5bYEEl4lN48gM5Fk54puZg/ S4lAhWAUW13zHv5Qgke1zq1bqNhDGENqIfBYFE+pf6ZpUpXxs6lowYbTeaW6V/6F7x7W 7yiw== X-Received: by 10.140.80.210 with SMTP id c76mr15qgd.18.1411705619622; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:26:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.96.202 with SMTP id k68ls1072311qge.48.gmail; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:26:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.102.177 with SMTP id w46mr7qge.15.1411705618721; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <2a66ca19-c754-411b-aef5-188698d13207@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <9bc279e1-7b02-4bce-8290-377cded6aa0e@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] precise tenru MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_109_555184637.1411705618243" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_109_555184637.1411705618243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:56:14 PM UTC-4, tsani wrote: > > > Right. Metaphorical tanru can be generalized to tanru of the first type, > but with a less straightforward composition, possibly including many > omitted other selbri. > That seems weird to me. I would expect the seltau and the tertau to have some relation such that Xi = Yj, or multiple such equalities. The participle should also be possible value, so call that X0 and Y0, and the equation still holds. So then the vagueness lies solely in these index mappings. Allowing for any number of "omitted selbri", strikes me a taking it too far --one could mean almost anything then. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_109_555184637.1411705618243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:56:14 PM UTC-4,= tsani wrote:
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Right. Metaphorical tan= ru can be generalized to tanru of the first type, but with a less straightf= orward composition, possibly including many omitted other selbri. 

That seems = weird to me.

I would expect the seltau and the ter= tau to have some relation such that Xi =3D Yj, or multiple such equalities.= The participle should also be possible value, so call that X0 and Y0, and = the equation still holds. So then the vagueness lies solely in these index = mappings.

Allowing for any number of "omitted selb= ri", strikes me a taking it too far --one could mean almost anything then.<= /div>

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