Received: from mail-pd0-f191.google.com ([209.85.192.191]:40838) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XhHh9-0007Za-6l for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:40:51 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f191.google.com with SMTP id fp1sf185500pdb.8 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:40:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nHxABxhhg4OlyyRn0IqLmrKCP6g4U44wtXG5aoMlbYU=; b=sYd+Yo4tgtpL2aNgZAJ+jLUK1UyyBPCETN6alGw62JX/AloiGmS9aX/1UYIJFqYZT0 RCHXhQrL9hCvdTWghV1VhLfogvqGLhcACVM374C9CwUWph2bdSrpcEMJoqsNpck2jAmN BEEah395Q3gaMUWYYum6rSnLf92zWG8JUxrWiKVElMlR1Z8xIaQKP7hAI8jrDXOUSqxs EH4Tzpuo8nf8O247W4xpaoO0mx+5G67Bco6D6tsdSSVnVADC5FKcydEf7TFFofQk+Txj izLi40Bv2XdmyaGjz/RR77p4mODEIpRGrKoKIrfVQuY2XmPbvDF5L1rNZNNo1gF+sqX5 Se/g== X-Received: by 10.50.30.37 with SMTP id p5mr163700igh.8.1414068040856; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:40:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.15.215 with SMTP id 84ls55107iop.79.gmail; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.20.10 with SMTP id j10mr25245034ige.1.1414068039843; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id uv13si191630pab.2.2014.10.23.05.40.39 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.229; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:41076] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 90/E3-29393-647F8445; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:40:39 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id E561E1334 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "music of a song" vs. "song". How to say? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: <2131186.nME9g42FdL@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-37-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 21:50:35 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Usage shows that {lo selsa'a} means "song" rather than "words/music of > song". > > Now how to say > "voice of a song" > "music of a song" > "words of the song X" > "I sang the phrase Y from the song X" > "I sang the song X"? For "words of a song" I'd say "vlapoi pe lo selsa'a", so I'd say "togypoi" for "melody". There's also "vlamei"; "togmei" could be useful when the music isn't a single sequence but consists of voices. The voices are tcesutsli, mlisutsli, mlisnosli, and tcesnosli, but I don't know what the word for "voice" in this sense is. These words can also denote completely different frequency ranges when talking about radio. "phrase" could be "selsa'aspi". Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.