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2014-09-10 16:49 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:

> On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:40:33 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> > {ko catke la'e li 911} or {ko catke me'o 911}?
>
> Neither. I'm leaning toward "me'o", but "catke" is wrong. There appears to
> be
> a concept missing from the gimste, so I'm going to put "co'e" in its place.
> "ko judryco'e me'o 911".
>
> The missing concept includes opening a file, accessing a webpage, opening a
> cupboard, opening a book, or accessing a memory location. Opening a
> cupboard
> is "kargau", but that's what you do to the door; I'm talking about what
> you do
> to the cupboard. Any suggestions?
>

Isn't it what {kalri} is for? allowing, providing access for person x3 to
object x2

lo vreji cu kalri lo vasru be vo'a mi - the file gives me access to its
content. "give" is a terrible metaphor here, of course. a better
translation: "the file is open to me for providing access to its content".

i si'a lo zmiku vorme cu kalri fi mi lo drata kumfa i ku'i na kalri fi do i
e'u do cpacu lo jaspu be fo lo nu do te kalri dy.ky.


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2014-09-10 16:49 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</=
span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Wednesday, Sep=
tember 10, 2014 12:40:33 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:<br>
&gt; {ko catke la&#39;e li 911} or {ko catke me&#39;o 911}?<br>
<br>
</span>Neither. I&#39;m leaning toward &quot;me&#39;o&quot;, but &quot;catk=
e&quot; is wrong. There appears to be<br>
a concept missing from the gimste, so I&#39;m going to put &quot;co&#39;e&q=
uot; in its place.<br>
&quot;ko judryco&#39;e me&#39;o 911&quot;.<br>
<br>
The missing concept includes opening a file, accessing a webpage, opening a=
<br>
cupboard, opening a book, or accessing a memory location. Opening a cupboar=
d<br>
is &quot;kargau&quot;, but that&#39;s what you do to the door; I&#39;m talk=
ing about what you do<br>
to the cupboard. Any suggestions?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Isn&#=
39;t it what {kalri} is for? allowing, providing access for person x3 to ob=
ject x2</div><div><br></div><div>lo vreji cu kalri lo vasru be vo&#39;a mi =
- the file gives me access to its content. &quot;give&quot; is a terrible m=
etaphor here, of course. a better translation: &quot;the file is open to me=
 for providing access to its content&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>i si&#=
39;a lo zmiku vorme cu kalri fi mi lo drata kumfa i ku&#39;i na kalri fi do=
 i e&#39;u do cpacu lo jaspu be fo lo nu do te kalri <a href=3D"http://dy.k=
y">dy.ky</a>.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
<br>
Pierre<br>
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