Received: from mail-pa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.220.63]:49184) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XxVvl-0007jk-9j for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:06:58 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id bj1sf482054pad.8 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:06:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=zIpqMXHWI9L9qCMcP/VCz8Vy6JFpEcuvCbpMqc7wl4E=; b=eGQQzly/fzG1lLjcXPvn4FZsavCpWKceEsNb7tFrJ8HR/rjcT4DjAukioDwN3Hrah5 CeiZ+xA4jL2T5sLPiipbD4NfubhAZhuu+TRhEwiVYwsB5RnNyTNKDthQiZXNW+kNGMGa cmDdcOcT6GPox3cs7bnIUm3txzp/g0fuKbYMBVYKczbyaHFwf7wAfaFIQfCQ8xlKebpd /I1+ACEf8k3ynjkLvbT9L2vVVhcphDTy0L9fsdn9SHsrrAxxQl8n4ceUELJD/jbu2ULl KQ+7D3oZYF205YJzcTgVAYeBl/SHpL/0skBqMyGI98VQTMwn3OUZPC1G6zMOu9dg3uDM nHpQ== X-Received: by 10.50.43.166 with SMTP id x6mr151303igl.5.1417936010988; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.66.131 with SMTP id f3ls653145igt.9.gmail; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.118.75 with SMTP id w11mr27245574icq.5.1417936010033; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id dg8si2313183pdb.1.2014.12.06.23.06.49 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.230; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:42644] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id F0/3B-09956-88CF3845; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:06:48 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDE71F6C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 02:06:47 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] appearance Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: <2234086.Ltq2rZA5F7@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-40-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <9bc46b23-5e59-4622-8b62-e8cfaad4beea@googlegroups.com> References: <76021408-e3d0-4f7c-af20-df9fce65db2f@googlegroups.com> <25322115.1Bung3Mxl2@caracal> <9bc46b23-5e59-4622-8b62-e8cfaad4beea@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Saturday, December 06, 2014 22:56:27 ravas@outlook.com wrote: > > mi nelci lo selmlu be lo va tricu bei fo lo nu ba'o carvi .i mi nelci lo > > ka lo > > manku je cilmo pilka cu selga'efrica lo carmi pelxu pezli > > Whats the difference between "lo va tricu" and "lo ta tricu"? > And why do we use lo instead of le? > I thought we would use le in this example since we are referring to a > specific tree. "lo ta tricu" means "that one's tree", that is, someone at a medium distance or near you owns a tree, and we're referring to the tree, which could be anywhere. "lo va tricu" means "that tree". "lo va tricu" and "le va tricu" are both fine here. There are lots of phrases where either article can be used. Pierre -- The gostak pelled at the fostin lutt for darfs for her martle plave. The darfs had smibbed, the lutt was thale, and the pilter had nothing snave. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.