Received: from mail-yk0-f190.google.com ([209.85.160.190]:57715) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1Pk-0003eu-Sr for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:44:04 -0800 Received: by mail-yk0-f190.google.com with SMTP id 9sf875516ykp.7 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:43:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=QGEQxdohygaL5GpO2Bskvd1R8iU6NP+BJixm7ivN8tY=; b=h0Kg2P4r94QYOvQV1OGPjqMYD/Ct1glDGHKypHwVWX+cXofHKnyLRYIi0CAI2/GakS lri4SlTNVw/CV891tv/G9BcRmHCgzpgSFvf+8iXQgJITclnt+YnXZ+KAKMhwOnxSKa5M HPszsZIL+qifX2S7jcjPeFuASgd5mnTuGTfC3Z7sLk/93C4VdwDAYbeZnyrl7sXVblkR +/R/6ADn06JKEuCEs8ulIygBK13qwUhAUjkkvljyi0WFeF7gSqwwx8Y2x7kUfaoja/Tc LazLwo1Jce+rP+Rx2Qn1SPN094N8v2OKYg2M8TcHhRnXIh940x4xusldNVyvTZfc5QPC 8azg== X-Received: by 10.50.128.202 with SMTP id nq10mr244279igb.12.1418057034790; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:43:54 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.109.133 with SMTP id hs5ls904417igb.1.gmail; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:43:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.41.33 with SMTP id c1mr17354406igl.1.1418057032977; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ax5si4478405pbd.0.2014.12.08.08.43.51 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.232; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:57144] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 1A/2A-10369-745D5845; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:43:51 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B3D78E for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:43:50 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] a pair of points Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: <4114937.Ddfy1BZXsB@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-40-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <12b46991-96e5-409f-a19e-290c6b7a7a3e@googlegroups.com> References: <12b46991-96e5-409f-a19e-290c6b7a7a3e@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Sunday, December 07, 2014 23:32:54 ravas@outlook.com wrote: > A pair of points is part of only one line. > A group of only two points is part of only one line. > lo'i re mokca cu pagbu su'e pa linji > > --- > > Is this translation correct? > xu le xe fanva cu drani > > ki'e I'd say "pa linji" or "pa po'o linji". The latter doesn't mean "one and no more", but "one and no other number", which is a bit different from the English. "su'e pa" implies that there could be no line that passes through the points. As to "lo'i re mokca", "lo'i" is the set article, which implies that the line is being considered as a set of points, and "pagbu" means "subset" here. I defer to the experts on plural quantification to tell if the "lo'i re" is correct. Speaking of lines as sets, "ku'a" is a conjunction for intersection of sets. The intersection of Trade and Tryon is in the middle of Charlotte. la .treid. ku'a la .traian. midju la .carlyt. mu'omi'e .pier. -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.