Received: from mail-vc0-f184.google.com ([209.85.220.184]:36640) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XzWbB-0001L9-7h for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:14:02 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f184.google.com with SMTP id hy10sf1017051vcb.1 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:13:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=Gx6tuE2U9uY0Om7T9ENzt9bDpZtOtKk5oEJi/VwjE6I=; b=UeNvdNViM7V5Q8AvwDT4/PKcbaQ52ovNxwTMogX9oFfMT9f9hHj0cVvGYOSY++hdrw /7bywuOlgMDSjZ7NIZD1TOQ/4JWhfsPEoTm9DXg9Lu8bd6AspuEIfSyQmdQqRuF4oP3+ 18qdj7NFUGtsftrxu8L6ai2OPpOIU1mj7iQlFFwh9ZJci/JGBGvbnl5GYvNhbm2eaPV+ igOy1NfH7nvJS1FY2Ao9G/skluxu6WpImx1tdtYBP6YkTzwHICpOZ/e9cTlVske8rVYZ hu9fsq0ksXdZtwsBv0ufAYsyHFYN79YNallpkPDexdIK2j6jIzRqe0t1W2xSQ/rPwoJq pcdA== X-Received: by 10.140.23.70 with SMTP id 64mr241538qgo.1.1418415235150; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:13:55 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.102.21 with SMTP id v21ls208100qge.74.gmail; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:13:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.48.69 with SMTP id n63mr32465qga.21.1418415234302; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:13:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:13:53 -0800 (PST) From: ravas@outlook.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4a54a10c-1903-4545-be8e-4a2bd3d837d3@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <54860BA3.7070907@gmail.com> References: <54860BA3.7070907@gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Does {mi te benji ko'a} imply {mi cpacu ko'a}? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_935_1378091829.1418415233926" X-Original-Sender: ravas@outlook.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_935_1378091829.1418415233926 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_936_978237108.1418415233927" ------=_Part_936_978237108.1418415233927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > I think both versions (with and without implying a successful receipt) > are useful, but if one must be chosen, not implying a successful receipt > allows for more flexibility, although requires more verbosity when the > speaker does want to say that the receiving was successful (e.g. {mi > benji ko'e fo'o .i je fo'o cpacu ko'e}). > I'm not confident, but maybe we can use [be'i] to avoid repeating [fo'o] and [ko'e]. {fo'o cpacu ko'e be'i mi} X obtains Y sent by me -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_936_978237108.1418415233927 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

I think both versions (with and without implying a successful receipt)
are useful, but if one must be chosen, not implying a successful receipt
allows for more flexibility, although requires more verbosity when the
speaker does want to say that the receiving was successful (e.g. {mi
benji ko'e fo'o .i je fo'o cpacu ko'e}).


I'm not confident, but maybe we can use [be'i] to avoid repeating [fo'o] and [ko'e].

{fo'o cpacu ko'e be'i mi}
X obtains Y sent by me

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