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[2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v10si1448080qcd.1.2014.12.18.17.15.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a; Received: by mail-qg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id q108so52046qgd.1 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:15:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.34.133 with SMTP id l5mr9463314qad.44.1418951734868; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.42.194 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:15:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3651881.YGNPRj2BVu@caracal> <1bc0a1b4-2c35-454b-a196-47fbd961b2c3@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:15:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] defining a set From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1d6841c5f81050a877282 X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c1d6841c5f81050a877282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In the first case you need {vu'o} to make the {goi} apply to the whole set. The second one is technically OK, though {du} has its own problems in general. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:56 PM, ravas wrote: > > > On Thursday, December 18, 2014 2:11:36 PM UTC-8, Ian Johnson wrote: >> >> >> Using {cmima} precisely winds up being awkward because you have to do >> something like: >> >> {.i ca'e ro da zo'u da cmima ko'a .i jo da cmima .abu ce .ebu} >> >> > Awkward but interesting... ;D > > I will be using {.i ky linji .abu ce .ebu} most of the time; > however, I may need to refer to 2 points repeatedly. > In that situation it would be convenient to refer to them with one word. > Mostly I'm just curious about what is possible. :D > > Can we accomplish this using something other than cmima? > > What about: > > .abu. ce .ebu. goi ko'a zasti > > or > > ko'a smugau .abu. ce .ebu. > > or > > .abu. ce .ebu. du ko'a > > --- > > kie'cai .io > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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In the first case you need {vu'o} to make the {go= i} apply to the whole set. The second one is technically OK, though {du} ha= s its own problems in general.

mi'e la latro'a mu'= o

On Thu= , Dec 18, 2014 at 7:56 PM, ravas <ravas@outlook.com> wrote:<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

On Thur= sday, December 18, 2014 2:11:36 PM UTC-8, Ian Johnson wrote:

Using {cmima}= precisely winds up being awkward because you have to do something like:
{.i ca'e ro da zo'u da cmima ko'a .i jo da cmima .abu ce .= ebu}

=C2=A0
Awkward bu= t interesting... ;D

I will be using {.i ky linji .abu ce .ebu} most = of the time;
however, I may need to refer to 2 points repeatedly.
In = that situation it would be convenient to refer to them with one word.
Mo= stly I'm just curious about what is possible. :D

Can we accompli= sh this using something other than cmima?

What about:

.abu. ce .ebu. goi ko'a zast= i

or

ko'a smugau .abu. ce .ebu.

or

.abu. ce .ebu. du ko'a

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kie'cai .io

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