Received: from mail-la0-f59.google.com ([209.85.215.59]:35534) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4tG2-0001nM-G7 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:39 -0800 Received: by mail-la0-f59.google.com with SMTP id hs14sf1169939lab.24 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=z0b6cZWXMUalSSVPWhtwNDGURxc9ClrIQas0f0nVDGU=; b=YhUxfRUFXTAnGlPhX27BftZc4lO2VzXy1GsNHoAF54Z9wZw98406IK84oBbGwQ6mxo qIeoLU8KgFaMw5gxFlcnXkcDfYAOpuu4jgi5xmdoLndL+Np16d6lH/icvdxBq981YZOF 66l15knhHjm9FZ5+d4bmYc+F5mrvDaeMTt25xXq5W3SenooqS/Pao9DHZkS/y4tEhpdL TywJ4lJefeXFKKPTcw6gauy27/kv2ieEDDpFMfa8M/BLwLHUgsgwiEQ4YvNt4zPyZoD6 IPqod3ygCvVMR3ccldKUlcfF1Ql7LeBshDpLjDG/pkYEPunEOVdHtxs3LL+9s5/8xv+H 0wEw== X-Received: by 10.152.5.226 with SMTP id v2mr635399lav.4.1419693975310; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.27.99 with SMTP id s3ls1756789lag.79.gmail; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.152.2.40 with SMTP id 8mr18464lar.7.1419693972937; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s6si129407wif.0.2014.12.27.07.26.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ex7so18812759wid.9 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.76.239 with SMTP id n15mr79323195wiw.66.1419693972817; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.204.139 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:26:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6d4ce845-f808-4c1a-8bc2-4c4507ba3f78@googlegroups.com> References: <6d4ce845-f808-4c1a-8bc2-4c4507ba3f78@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:26:12 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What type of food do you want to eat? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043749b3f08b72050b34427d X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d043749b3f08b72050b34427d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:35 AM, ravas wrote: > The most recent thing learning lojban has made me more aware of is the > English pattern: > ... do you want to ... > > Examples for review: > > What type of food do you want to eat? > do djica lo ma cidja > "lo ma djica" is more like "whose food?". If you expect an answer like "lo jungo cidja" then "lo mo cidja" might be a bettter option. > What do you want to eat? > pei citka ma > > Where do you want to eat? > pei citka tu'i ma > "tu'i" is for permanent sites, so it's not used much. The spatial analogue of "ca" is "bu'u". When do you want to leave? > pei cliva ca ma > > How do you want to get there? > pei klama fo ma > > Why do you want to take that street? > do zmanei zo'e ki'u ma > > Who do you want to pick up first? > ??? > (au) pei crepu ma pa mai Does {pei} work in these examples to indicate we are interested in their > preference? > I think so, but you can be more specific with "au pei". Does {lo ma cidja} work for asking 'what type of food'? > I think "lo mo cidja" works better. Or "lo klesi be lo cidja bei ma". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --f46d043749b3f08b72050b34427d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 3:35 AM, ravas <ravas@outlook.com> w= rote:
The most recent thing learning lojban has made me more aware= of is the English pattern:
... do you want to ...


Example= s for review:

What type of food do you want to eat?
do djica lo ma cidja

"lo ma djica" is more lik= e "whose food?". If you expect an answer like "lo jungo cidj= a" then "lo mo cidja" might be a bettter option.
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What do you want to eat?
<= span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace">pei citka ma
=
Where do you want to eat?
pei citka tu'i ma

"tu'i" is for permanent sites, so it's n= ot used much. The spatial analogue of "ca" is "bu'u"= ;.

When do you want t= o leave?
pei= cliva ca ma

How do you want to get there?
pei klama fo ma

= Why do you want to take that street?
do zmanei zo'e ki'u ma

Who d= o you want to pick up first?
???

(= au) pei crepu ma pa mai
=C2=A0

Does= {pei} work in these examples to indicate we are interested in their prefer= ence?

I think so, but you = can be more specific with "au pei".=C2=A0

Does {lo ma cidja} work for asking 'what type of food'?

I think "lo mo cidja" works = better. Or "lo klesi be lo cidja bei ma".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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