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la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 2:48 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de
> <mailto:seladwa@gmx.de>> wrote:
>     Or similarly, {ma poi klesi lo cidja}, which is what I would usually
>     say.
>
>
> I always have doubts about that use of "poi" because it involves a kind
> of metalinguistic restriction rather than an ordinary restrictive
> clause. It restricts the set of possible answers, but the
> straightforward application of the poi and ma rules should be that "ma"
> is asking for a sumti which, when restricted by the poi-clause, fits the
> argument place. So I would prefer "ma noi" here. Similarly with
> demonstratives "ti poi", etc. "

With {ti poi} I would agree that it's off, but if we were to rewrite {do 
djica tu'a ma poi klesi lo cidja} as {ma klesi lo cidja gi'e poi'i do 
djica tu'a ke'a} ("What is a kind of food and is such that you want [to 
eat] it?"), it seems to have the right semantics.

Is {ma} not much closer to {da} than it is to something like {ti}? The 
weird (but often useful) thing about {ma} is that it always has highest 
scope, so it should be able to parallel {da} (as in {su'o da poi broda 
cu brode} -> {su'o da broda gi'e brode}.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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