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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: On Saturday, January 10, 2015 09:23:15 eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com wrote: > Hi! > > I have just started learning Lojban, partly because I find the very > different grammar interesting, and partly because I am looking for a > culturally neutral language for use in some of my art (I am a composer and > musician). However, when most people don't know a language it is very > important how it sounds. Lojban seems to have a lot of short words, > resulting in very many syllables needed for rather simple sentences. It > also seems heavy on consonants, while vowels are arguably more important > when singing. Do any of you have any experience in making music or poetry > in Lojban and would you mind sharing your thoughts about how well suited > Lojban is this? 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IN] [A] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.160.186 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 T_HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders On Saturday, January 10, 2015 09:23:15 eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com wrote: > Hi! > > I have just started learning Lojban, partly because I find the very > different grammar interesting, and partly because I am looking for a > culturally neutral language for use in some of my art (I am a composer and > musician). However, when most people don't know a language it is very > important how it sounds. Lojban seems to have a lot of short words, > resulting in very many syllables needed for rather simple sentences. It > also seems heavy on consonants, while vowels are arguably more important > when singing. Do any of you have any experience in making music or poetry > in Lojban and would you mind sharing your thoughts about how well suited > Lojban is this? Also, if any of you have a short poem in Lojban that I > could try to use for a composition, I would be most grateful. I haven't done an original song in Lojban, but I've translated some. My impression is that Lojban takes, on average, a few more syllables than English. If you try to translate literally, you get a lot more syllables than if you translate idiomatically. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/le+cmalu+bloti is a French folk song. Here's a hymn: doi cevni do'u .au mi jbize'a do .iju lo kucymudri cu lafti mi .i sanga lo se du'u mi jbize'a do .i mi jbize'a do doi cevni do'u .i ca lo murse mi litru lo kunti .i ca lo nicte mi vreta lo rokci .i ku'i senva lo nu mi jbize'a do .ibo tolcanci fa lo serti be lo .angeli .i do mi xendo lo dargu .i mi cu parkla do .i mi jbize'a do .i cerni pensi lo nu zanru do .i zbasu la .beitel. lo badri rokci .i tolgei gasnu lo nu mi jbize'a do .ibazubo mi voirli'u lo kensa .i mi lo plini ja tarci cu cliva .i sa'asku di'e .ui .i mi jbize'a do Pierre -- gau do li'i co'e kei do -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. 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