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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: la .ravas. cu cusku di'e > After collecting the acorns, the Chumash spread them out on mats and > dried them in the sun for fifteen or twenty days. > la .tcumac. bagi crepu da poi cindynarge gi pejgau da lo matci gi'e > sudgau da sepi'o le solri [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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You don't necesserily want to say that the "making it happen" takes 20 days (it should only take a minute or so to place them on the mats). The caused event however is to last 20 days. (In your sentence, there is a slight problem with quantification. {crepu da poi cindynarge} talks about singular (.i.e. individual) acorns, but then you continue to say that each acorn individually "spreads out" on a mat. I'd prefer a plural referent in the x1 of preja. Under the current singularist logic, you have to use {lo} or the experimental {su'oi} to get plurals. I'm putting this in brackets because it's too advanced for the beginners list, but important enough to be mentioned. There is a lot that can be said about the translated sentence!) mi'e la selpu'a si selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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