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Do you have a pencil (on you)? (I might need to borrow one) >> >> Lo do terci'a vi xu zasti? >> > > xu do vi ralte lo pinsi > > >> 2. Do you have a car (with you today)? >> >> Xu vi karce do? >> > > xu do se kansa lo karce ca lo cabdei > > >> >> 3. Do you have my book (in your possession)? (I don't see it on the >> table where I left it.) >> >> Xu do vi ponse lo mi cukta? >> > > {ponse} is for legal possession. Usually {ralte} is again better in such > situations. > > >> 4. Do you have a house or an apartment? >> >> Do ge'i se zdadi'u gi kumyzda? >> > > {xu do ponse lo dinju} = Do you own a house? > lo kumyzda - apartment > > As for attempts to fill in certain places they have their usage too: > xu do se zdani lo barda kumyzda > zu do se kumyzda lo barda > = Do you live in a big apartment? > > Of course, I translated your examples without trying to rework your own > translations. > lo se klani be lo se jinvi so'iroi zmadu lo se klani be lo jinvi > > >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Is legal possession (ponse) the same thing as ownership?=C2= =A0

stevo

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2015-01-25 7:29 GMT+03:00 volcpitar <apeal@= comcast.net>:
Given what= is said above how would you best say the following?:

1.=C2=A0 Do yo= u have a pencil (on=C2=A0 you)?=C2=A0 (I might need to borrow one)

= Lo do terci'a vi xu zasti?

=
xu do vi ralte lo pinsi


2.=C2=A0 Do you have a car (with you today)?
Xu vi karce do?

xu d= o se kansa lo karce ca lo cabdei
=C2=A0

3.=C2=A0 Do you have my book (in your possessio= n)?=C2=A0 (I don't see it on the table where I left it.)

Xu do v= i ponse lo mi cukta?

{pons= e} is for legal possession. Usually {ralte} is again better in such situati= ons.


4.=C2=A0 Do you have a house or an apartment?

Do ge'i se zd= adi'u gi kumyzda?

{xu do p= onse lo dinju} =3D Do you own a house?
lo kumyzda - apartment

As for attempts to fill in certain places they have t= heir usage too:
xu do se zdani lo barda kumyzda
zu do s= e kumyzda lo barda
=C2=A0=3D Do you live in a big apartment?

Of course, I translated your examples without trying t= o rework your own translations.=C2=A0
lo se klani be lo se jinvi = so'iroi zmadu lo se klani be lo jinvi
=C2=A0=

<= br>

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