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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Ordering rafsi in a lujvo
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 Content preview:  On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 8:34:29 PM UTC-8, volcpitar
    wrote: > > I looked up "house" and "apartment" on Jbovlaste and found "zdadi'u"
    and > "kumyzda." > I like using http://vlasisku.lojban.org/ Then you can
   place your mouse over the parts of a lujvo and see the gismu place structure.
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On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 8:34:29 PM UTC-8, volcpitar wrote:
>
> I looked up "house" and "apartment" on Jbovlaste and found "zdadi'u" and 
> "kumyzda."
>

I like using http://vlasisku.lojban.org/
Then you can place your mouse over the parts of a lujvo and see the gismu 
place structure. 

Why would "zdadi'u" not be more appropriate for "apartment building"?
>

{kumyzda} splits into {kumfa zdani} which we can think of as "room type of 
home"
So it's referring to an apartment, not an apartment building.

How can the order of the rafsi in the two terms be inconsistent?
>

{zdadi'u} splits into {zdani dinju} which we can think of as "home type of 
building".
I think you will agree this makes more sense than "building type of home" 
since homes are generally buildings now. 
This brings us to the fact that using zdadi'u will be overly specific in 
most cases (zdani is enough).

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I'll leave explanation of lujvo creation and place structure for people who 
are qualified.
I haven't read about it yet: http://alexburka.com/lojban/cll/lojban.html#12

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">On Saturday, Ja=
nuary 24, 2015 at 8:34:29 PM UTC-8, volcpitar wrote:</span><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, =
0, 255);">I looked up "house" and "apartment" on Jbovlaste and found "zdadi=
'u" and "kumyzda."</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style=3D"fon=
t-family: verdana,sans-serif;">I like using http://vlasisku.lojban.org/<br>=
Then you can place your mouse over the parts of a lujvo and see the gismu p=
lace structure. </span><br><br><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D=
"gmail_quote"> <span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Why would "zdadi'u" n=
ot be more appropriate for "apartment building"?</span><br></blockquote><di=
v><br><span style=3D"font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">{kumyzda} splits int=
o {kumfa zdani} which we can think of as "room type of home"<br>So it's ref=
erring to an apartment, not an apartment building.<br></span><span style=3D=
"color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><br></span><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">How can the order=
 of the rafsi in the two terms be inconsistent?</span><br></blockquote><br>=
<span style=3D"font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">{zdadi'u} splits into {zda=
ni dinju} which we can think of as "home type of building".<br>I think you =
will agree this makes more sense than "building type of home" since homes a=
re generally buildings now. <br>This brings us to the fact that using zdadi=
'u will be overly specific in most cases (zdani is enough).</span><br><br>-=
---<br><br><span style=3D"font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">I'll leave expl=
anation of lujvo creation and place structure for people who are qualified.=
<br>I haven't read about it yet: http://alexburka.com/lojban/cll/lojban.htm=
l#12</span><br><br></div></div></div>

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