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You can't {ralte} a typical {zdani} (except, for example, a cardboard box You can {ponse} a {zdani}, but this is rather different from {se zdani}-ing the {zdani}. For example, you might own a property that you rent out while residing elsewhere; then you {ponse} but do not {se zdani}. Conversely you might be the renter; then you {se zdani} but do not {ponse}. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:04 PM, volcpitar wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 1:15:34 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >> >> >> >> 2015-01-25 7:29 GMT+03:00 volcpitar : >> >>> Given what is said above how would you best say the following?: >>> >>> 1. Do you have a pencil (on you)? (I might need to borrow one) >>> >>> Lo do terci'a vi xu zasti? >>> >> >> xu do vi ralte lo pinsi >> >> >>> 2. Do you have a car (with you today)? >>> >>> Xu vi karce do? >>> >> >> xu do se kansa lo karce ca lo cabdei >> >> >>> >>> 3. Do you have my book (in your possession)? (I don't see it on the >>> table where I left it.) >>> >>> Xu do vi ponse lo mi cukta? >>> >> >> {ponse} is for legal possession. Usually {ralte} is again better in such >> situations. >> >> >>> 4. Do you have a house or an apartment? >>> >>> Do ge'i se zdadi'u gi kumyzda? >>> >> >> {xu do ponse lo dinju} = Do you own a house? >> lo kumyzda - apartment >> >> As for attempts to fill in certain places they have their usage too: >> xu do se zdani lo barda kumyzda >> zu do se kumyzda lo barda >> = Do you live in a big apartment? >> >> Of course, I translated your examples without trying to rework your own >> translations. >> lo se klani be lo se jinvi so'iroi zmadu lo se klani be lo jinvi >> >> > ki'e do sidju mi. (Thanks for helping). I hadn't realized that "ralte" > had this meaning. > > > By the way, is there any appreciable difference in meaning between: > > > xu do ralte lo zdani? > > and > > xu do se zdani da? > >> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginne...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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{ralte} is about having something on your person. You= can't {ralte} a typical {zdani} (except, for example, a cardboard box = You can {ponse} a {zdani}, but this is rather different from {se zdani}-ing= the {zdani}. For example, you might own a property that you rent out while= residing elsewhere; then you {ponse} but do not {se zdani}. Conversely you= might be the renter; then you {se zdani} but do not {ponse}.

= mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:04 PM, volcpitar <apeal= @comcast.net> wrote:


On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 1:15:34 AM UTC-5, la glek= i wrote:


2015-01-25 7:29 GMT+03:00 = volcpitar <ap...@comcast.net&g= t;:
Given what is said above ho= w would you best say the following?:

1.=C2=A0 Do you have a pencil (= on=C2=A0 you)?=C2=A0 (I might need to borrow one)

Lo do terci'a= vi xu zasti?

xu do vi ralte lo p= insi


2.=C2=A0 Do = you have a car (with you today)?

Xu vi karce do?

xu do se kansa lo karce ca lo cabdei
=C2=A0
=

3.=C2=A0 Do you have my book (in your= possession)?=C2=A0 (I don't see it on the table where I left it.)
<= br>Xu do vi ponse lo mi cukta?

{p= onse} is for legal possession. Usually {ralte} is again better in such situ= ations.


4.=C2=A0 = Do you have a house or an apartment?

Do ge'i se zdadi'u gi k= umyzda?

{xu do ponse lo dinju} =3D Do= you own a house?
lo kumyzda - apartment

As for attempts to fill in certain places they have their usage too:
=
xu do se zdani lo barda kumyzda
zu do se kumyzda lo barda
=C2=A0=3D Do you live in a big apartment?

= Of course, I translated your examples without trying to rework your own tra= nslations.=C2=A0
lo se klani be lo se jinvi so'iroi zmadu lo = se klani be lo jinvi
=C2=A0
<= /span>
ki'e do sidju mi.=C2=A0 (Thanks for = helping).=C2=A0 I hadn't realized that "ralte" had this meani= ng.


By the way, is there any appreciable difference in meaning b= etween:


xu do ralte lo zdani?

and

xu do se zdani d= a?


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