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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > What if a train moves from one railroad to another one? > It becomes a trene fi a different railroad. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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How can > trene3 be inherent if usually train cars are constructed and trains can be > assembled without having any particular railroad in mind? > > It's worse than that: A train car isn't even a se trene at all until it's linked with other se trene to form a trene. So maybe just give up and stop trying to have {trene} be a direct translation of "train" and just think about what it means? :) It seems to me from the structure that what {trene} is talking about is the situation where there's a system of tracks (te trene) and on it run various chains (trene) of loosely connected cars (se trene) which are propelled around the system by some sort of propulsion system (ve trene). That's a sensible coherent thought, a useful thing there is in the world. It doesn't translate "train" or "train car" or anything like that, it only describes the whole relationship at once, you have to pull the pieces out with lujvo. Fortunately you get two really awesome rafsi for trene, -re'e- and -ren-, an end piece and also a middle piece with really meldy consonants, .u'a. <3, selkik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e0158ad5817b2e5050e4b07e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.n= ame@gmail.com> wrote:
What if a train moves from one railroad to another one?

It becomes a trene fi a different railroad.
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All places of any= given brivla must be inherent and inseparable. How can trene3 be inherent = if usually train cars are constructed and trains can be assembled without h= aving any particular railroad in mind?


It's worse than that: A train car isn= 9;t even a se trene at all until it's linked with other se trene to for= m a trene.

So maybe just give up and stop trying to have {trene} be= a direct translation of "train" and just think about what it mea= ns? :)

It seems to me from the structure that what {trene} is talkin= g about is the situation where there's a system of tracks (te trene) an= d on it run various chains (trene) of loosely connected cars (se trene) whi= ch are propelled around the system by some sort of propulsion system (ve tr= ene). That's a sensible coherent thought, a useful thing there is in th= e world. It doesn't translate "train" or "train car"= ; or anything like that, it only describes the whole relationship at once, = you have to pull the pieces out with lujvo. Fortunately you get two really = awesome rafsi for trene, -re'e- and -ren-, an end piece and also a midd= le piece with really meldy consonants, .u'a.

<3,
selkik =

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