Received: from mail-ee0-f60.google.com ([74.125.83.60]:38748) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YOvPb-0006B1-MP for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:47:09 -0800 Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49sf1921124eek.5 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:46:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=dMsEos6XGGQyk3xLzD5G1R9yHjQtQv/yzl/gE3f9u8k=; b=NDZSfOdTdTPykNs3XKXt27ZjG+5NHa9bTJNPkbjJBgTKrmqxXyko7qyT21bSMBHOWD VQNuAQSuYsbKnytk4l3exEoLxobSmZZWkEd8OLgogFXOEd0nbd/RTU8oWbCtTFYtNyb3 8yu5mjXDzeO/+qaE/le0ZV9/ZGRgozss7lut9dBIcq8gMgaxoGQzNo0ehJRITWffJSiD cF4lEa0YtqCSnBp5qI+4GbAM+54ssmY4WOxMV3oTD563bpWkcc9lCYWMMHk06X+MfuRm 7N14fV353NLLlQsN8poVdSiFtL8XGnatH7Vpj//IM+SjG/KhVBfLTiu1p9QBLYAeZKID nkWg== X-Received: by 10.152.21.6 with SMTP id r6mr148726lae.41.1424468816898; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:46:56 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.153.7.134 with SMTP id dc6ls285543lad.87.gmail; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:46:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.159.227 with SMTP id xf3mr1214082lbb.11.1424468814392; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-we0-x22d.google.com (mail-we0-x22d.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i7si196411wif.0.2015.02.20.13.46.54 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d; Received: by mail-we0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id q59so8015282wes.1 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:46:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.63.16 with SMTP id c16mr22944721wjs.117.1424468814290; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.56.20 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:46:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <095fb3fa-b04b-4ea2-b170-e8b261eeca7b@googlegroups.com> <6bdd8c4e-4d47-485f-8eba-92c42d94e3ed@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:46:54 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] A few sentences From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86da3aab678b050f8bfd43 X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b86da3aab678b050f8bfd43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson < eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com> wrote: > > OK. So either > .i la .erik. pu farlu ri'a lo bolci be lo rokci ca lo nu ra ca'o klama > or > .i la .erik. pu farlu ri'a lo bolci be lo rokci .i ca bo ra ca'o klama > ? > The first one is: In the past: Caused by the marble: At the time he was going: Eric falls. The second one is: In the past: Caused by the marble: Eric falls. At the same time: He was going. If you don't want the simultaneity to be part of what is caused, which makes a subtle difference, you would need to change the order in the first one: "la .erik pu farlu ca lo nu ri ca'o klama kei ri'a lo bolci be lo rokci": In the past: At the time of his going: Caused by the marble: Eric falls. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b86da3aab678b050f8bfd43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson <= eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com> wrote:
OK. So either
.i l= a .erik. pu farlu ri'a lo bolci be lo rokci ca lo nu ra ca'o klama<= br>or
.i la .erik. pu farlu ri'a lo bolci be lo rokci .i ca bo ra ca= 'o klama
?

The firs= t one is:

=C2=A0 In the past:
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 Caused by the marble:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0At the time = he was going:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Eric falls.

The second one is:

=C2=A0 In = the past:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Caused by the marble:
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Eric falls.
=C2=A0 At the same tim= e:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0He was going.

If = you don't want the simultaneity to be part of what is caused, which mak= es a subtle difference, you would need to change the order in the first one= : "la .erik pu farlu ca lo nu ri ca'o klama kei ri'a lo bolci = be lo rokci":

=C2=A0 In the past:
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0At the time of his going:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Caused by the marble:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Eric falls.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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