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[2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5si660956qcg.1.2015.03.26.05.55.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 26 Mar 2015 05:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f; Received: by mail-qg0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 60so74595048qgf.3 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 05:55:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.28.9 with SMTP id k9mr18384287qcc.11.1427374513496; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 05:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.176.135 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 05:55:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4022473.xYV9AGY5t2@caracal> References: <4022473.xYV9AGY5t2@caracal> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 08:55:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Aesop "Let a man be one thing or the other..." From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133ba9ad6aa91051230860e X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1133ba9ad6aa91051230860e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I wonder if English "meet" here isn't being taken to literally in all your translations (penmi). I would think "jikca" might be more the intent? But I could be wrong. --gejyspa On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, January 26, 2015 02:13:27 ravas wrote: > > "A doubtful friend is worse than a certain enemy. Let a man be one thing > or > > the other, and we then know how to meet him." > > -Aesop > > > > Some thoughts for a more neutral / modern phrasing: > > Let a person be as they choose, and then we know how to meet them. > > Accept a person as they are, and then we know how to meet them. > > I'd have to see the Greek, but I guess the meaning is "Let a man be a > certain > friend or a certain enemy". > > lo selsenpi pendo cu xlamau lo selbirti bradi .i .au lo remna cu selbirti > pendo ja bradi .iseki'ubo ma'a djuno lo du'u penmi ri ta'i makau > > mu'omi'e .piier. > -- > The gostak pelled at the fostin lutt for darfs for her martle plave. > The darfs had smibbed, the lutt was thale, and the pilter had nothing > snave. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=C2=A0 I wonder if English "meet" here isn't= being taken to literally in all your translations (penmi).=C2=A0 I would t= hink "jikca" might be more the intent?=C2=A0 But I could be wrong= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa
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O= n Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Monday, = January 26, 2015 02:13:27 ravas wrote:
> "A doubtful friend is worse than a certain enemy. Let a man be on= e thing or
> the other, and we then know how to meet him."
> -Aesop
>
> Some thoughts for a more neutral / modern phrasing:
> Let a person be as they choose, and then we know how to meet them.
> Accept a person as they are, and then we know how to meet them.

I'd have to see the Greek, but I guess the meaning is "Let = a man be a certain
friend or a certain enemy".

lo selsenpi pendo cu xlamau lo selbirti bradi .i .au lo remna cu selbirti pendo ja bradi .iseki'ubo ma'a djuno lo du'u penmi ri ta'i = makau

mu'omi'e .piier.
--
The gostak pelled at the fostin lutt for darfs for her martle plave.
The darfs had smibbed, the lutt was thale, and the pilter had nothing snave= .

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