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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] What actually are the rules of word formation?
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:18 AM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

> When I first learned about loglan/lojban I thought all words were of the
> form `CVCCV` or `CCVCV`, and compound words (lujvo) were always
> `(CVC|CCV)...CV`. I knew names had more flexibility. Later I learned that
> borrowed words did too. Even later I learned that compound words too had
> more flexible rules, e.g. hypen letters. And finally in the end, starring
> me in the face, it dawned on me that even simple words like `brivla` did
> not fit the original formations.
>

And you forgot cmavo.

After reading a fair bit, I find myself more confused than ever. Are there
> any single set of definitive rules defining what and what isn't a legal
> lojban word?
>

Except for a couple of minor details that only really affect fu'ivla, yes.
The rules for gismu and lujvo have been definitive for decades. The most
complicated part of the word formation rules are the ones for lujvo. The
additional rules needed for fu'ivla are relatively easy, but they are built
on top of the lujvo rules, because what is or is not a fu'ivla depends on
whether or not it is a lujvo, which have priority. Since gismu, cmavo and
cmevla are trivial, and fu'ivla depend on lujvo, you should probably start
familiarizing yourself with the lujvo making rules, which you can find in
CLL:  http://lojban.github.io/cll/4/11/

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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te">On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:18 AM, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a>&g=
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r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">When I first learned =
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form `CVCCV` or `CCVCV`, and compound words (lujvo) were always=20
`(CVC|CCV)...CV`. I knew names had more flexibility. Later I learned=20
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confused than ever. Are there any single set of definitive rules defining w=
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what isn&#39;t a legal lojban word?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>E=
xcept for a couple of minor details that only really affect fu&#39;ivla, ye=
s. The rules for gismu and lujvo have been definitive for decades. The most=
 complicated part of the word formation rules are the ones for lujvo. The a=
dditional rules needed for fu&#39;ivla are relatively easy, but they are bu=
ilt on top of the lujvo rules, because what is or is not a fu&#39;ivla depe=
nds on whether or not it is a lujvo, which have priority. Since gismu, cmav=
o and cmevla are trivial, and fu&#39;ivla depend on lujvo, you should proba=
bly start familiarizing yourself with the lujvo making rules, which you can=
 find in CLL: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://lojban.github.io/cll/4/11/">http://lo=
jban.github.io/cll/4/11/</a></div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xor=
xes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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