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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:06:26 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Translation of Number
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  The answer is "no".  While translating the book of Esther, a work that
has particular religious significance to me, I strove very hard to preserve
nuance that was found in the original Hebrew (although I see now that in
porting the version to the new lojban wiki, the deliberate spacing that I
put in to preserve the original has been completely mangled.  I am
MIFFED!!! This is a completely unreadable mess now. Especially since I
don't seem to have an account on this new site.  Sorry, where was I?) .
Despite this, there was only one or two places that I felt I needed to use
"su'ore" and justified my decision in the talk about the translation.
OTOH, I know see that someone has actually gone over that and CHANGED IT,
and I am MIFFED AGAIN, because I can't see the history to find out who!!!!
I can no longer take responsibility/ credit blame for the translation, and
I will probably need to remove my name from it, because I have no idea who
decided they could just touch it.
[?] [?] [?] [?]  [?] [?] [?] [?]

  (BTW, did I ever mention that I hate the new site?  Cause I do)

                  --gejyspa


On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:26 AM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a question of plurality in practice. This question is primarily
> directed to those who are fluent in Lojban and have done some considerable
> translation work from other languages.
>
> I am wondering if you found the lack of plural forms at all "tiresome"
> (for lack of better way of putting it). In other words, did you constantly
> find yourself having to add "pa", "ro" or other quantifier in order to
> convey the intended meaning of the original?
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 The answer is &quot;no&quot;.=C2=A0 While translati=
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ebrew (although I see now that in porting the version to the new lojban wik=
i, the deliberate spacing that I put in to preserve the original has been c=
ompletely mangled.=C2=A0 I am MIFFED!!! This is a completely unreadable mes=
s now. Especially since I don&#39;t seem to have an account on this new sit=
e.=C2=A0 Sorry, where was I?) .=C2=A0 Despite this, there was only one or t=
wo places that I felt I needed to use &quot;su&#39;ore&quot; and justified =
my decision in the talk about the translation.=C2=A0 OTOH, I know see that =
someone has actually gone over that and CHANGED IT, and I am MIFFED AGAIN, =
because I can&#39;t see the history to find out who!!!!=C2=A0 I can no long=
er take responsibility/ credit blame for the translation, and I will probab=
ly need to remove my name from it, because I have no idea who decided they =
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moji.gmail" goomoji=3D"gtalk.320" style=3D"margin: 0px 0.2ex; vertical-alig=
n: middle;">=C2=A0<img src=3D"cid:gtalk.320@goomoji.gmail" goomoji=3D"gtalk=
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x; vertical-align: middle;"><br><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 (BTW, did I ev=
er mention that I hate the new site?=C2=A0 Cause I do)</div><div><br></div>=
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejys=
pa</div></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:26 AM, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">I have a question of plurality in practice. This question is primarily=
 directed to those who are fluent in Lojban and have done some considerable=
 translation work from other languages.<div><br></div><div>I am wondering i=
f you found the lack of plural forms at all &quot;tiresome&quot; (for lack =
of better way of putting it). In other words, did you constantly find yours=
elf having to add &quot;pa&quot;, &quot;ro&quot; or other quantifier in ord=
er to convey the intended meaning of the original?</div><span class=3D"HOEn=
Zb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div></font></span></div><span class=
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