Received: from mail-qc0-f191.google.com ([209.85.216.191]:33781) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YntGo-0003bY-21 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:33:13 -0700 Received: by qcvp6 with SMTP id p6sf16372319qcv.0 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=rhu7sOus9y+l+RqU01qrBqBptNAZvsYHKw/Z9Y/0/yU=; b=jaRICDDCkXPCf1C5h7lOSU2Fx+FO5DnWr5lT/hoEUfQf0NTQ3QnvsgTr4vsqVn7Zqs qA1nV44a7yQqwFlPFwx5lYEFMif4gcQ9Qs7nd65SvHSpuGGgoVeFashQqVveQmlQXy/p sy5IysRACAJD5FTE0yCwMOypoUarFLnQ9GM4Ap5AI4eU9riEViV7YrqFR7QHRxMjV5ZJ 6IlGpl+qvUqdYR0qg67tgxEh89eHm3pfjLSJG/PShSdDDlYoCvb0G3Ci6QCOU9aA9tAB w9R0jBvpyn4vn+331TqGKi14hWsUc5y4okpboBv5l7rKWDXtCx+a8bxTUtMQXgnmjwK1 x8NQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=rhu7sOus9y+l+RqU01qrBqBptNAZvsYHKw/Z9Y/0/yU=; b=R1z6C2eGWMQxr/HKJuIbqAkHhrDD8C3e899YwgqxbbZAiMqs/9qJeNCfyBe+5HEHiE JhdEKUZBe4JAezqmYjehDVakD+5+ufxnfwj0LbxSS7I0c71TkAG6QqObJTgWtyr06i4v vSenBI+Y7iJLGVrGAVTQ1vNHjD6tKnuD2JP5rFom9lVxv3LWv5uVoPgP0Ei34lvt89/K jhiXPbeYnrR+xZnWlHWFjSA7Hq3vvmZakRRy8/hKOXVFxFSFOd4vEn/lMz4Btmh/wrQV x5AUKdlAowPKGmCCvPy1sDSzXbWEx86qB9/LYc6EpdAxYaGjITtb+0qVVpKdPU2xrOHO TOhQ== X-Received: by 10.140.93.226 with SMTP id d89mr75743qge.38.1430418784091; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.95.68 with SMTP id h62ls1225398qge.55.gmail; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.21.111 with SMTP id 102mr77692qgk.4.1430418783484; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: la durka To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <95db8421-866a-4b26-8eb8-be4c57d64f83@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Translation of Number MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_170_1002432196.1430418782828" X-Original-Sender: durka42@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_170_1002432196.1430418782828 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_171_868707457.1430418782828" ------=_Part_171_868707457.1430418782828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW, here is a link to the page's history on the Tiki, showing the latest= =20 version before the MW redirect was put in place:=20 http://tiki.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=3DEsther&preview=3D51 Though Robin said that tiki.lojban.org may not stay up forever. Anyone know= =20 if there is a backup or export somewhere in case other formatting issues=20 like this one come to light in the future? - mu'o mi'e durkavore El jueves, 30 de abril de 2015, 13:06:28 (UTC-4), Michael Turniansky=20 escribi=C3=B3: > > The answer is "no". While translating the book of Esther, a work that= =20 > has particular religious significance to me, I strove very hard to preser= ve=20 > nuance that was found in the original Hebrew (although I see now that in= =20 > porting the version to the new lojban wiki, the deliberate spacing that I= =20 > put in to preserve the original has been completely mangled. I am=20 > MIFFED!!! This is a completely unreadable mess now. Especially since I=20 > don't seem to have an account on this new site. Sorry, where was I?) . = =20 > Despite this, there was only one or two places that I felt I needed to us= e=20 > "su'ore" and justified my decision in the talk about the translation. =20 > OTOH, I know see that someone has actually gone over that and CHANGED IT,= =20 > and I am MIFFED AGAIN, because I can't see the history to find out who!!!= ! =20 > I can no longer take responsibility/ credit blame for the translation, an= d=20 > I will probably need to remove my name from it, because I have no idea wh= o=20 > decided they could just touch it. > =20 > =20 > (BTW, did I ever mention that I hate the new site? Cause I do) > > --gejyspa > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:26 AM, TR NS >= =20 > wrote: > >> I have a question of plurality in practice. This question is primarily= =20 >> directed to those who are fluent in Lojban and have done some considerab= le=20 >> translation work from other languages. >> >> I am wondering if you found the lack of plural forms at all "tiresome"= =20 >> (for lack of better way of putting it). In other words, did you constant= ly=20 >> find yourself having to add "pa", "ro" or other quantifier in order to= =20 >> convey the intended meaning of the original? >> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to lojban-beginne...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.com=20 >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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FWIW, here is a link to the page's history on the Tiki, sh= owing the latest version before the MW redirect was put in place: http://ti= ki.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=3DEsther&preview=3D51
<= br>Though Robin said that tiki.lojban.org may not stay up forever. Anyone k= now if there is a backup or export somewhere in case other formatting issue= s like this one come to light in the future?

- mu'o mi'e durkavore
El jueves, 30 de abril de 2015, 13:06:28 (UTC-4), Michael Turniansky = escribi=C3=B3:
  The answer is "no".  While translating the book of Esther, a w= ork that has particular religious significance to me, I strove very hard to= preserve nuance that was found in the original Hebrew (although I see now = that in porting the version to the new lojban wiki, the deliberate spacing = that I put in to preserve the original has been completely mangled.  I= am MIFFED!!! This is a completely unreadable mess now. Especially since I = don't seem to have an account on this new site.  Sorry, where was I?) = .  Despite this, there was only one or two places that I felt I needed= to use "su'ore" and justified my decision in the talk about the translatio= n.  OTOH, I know see that someone has actually gone over that and CHAN= GED IT, and I am MIFFED AGAIN, because I can't see the history to find out = who!!!!  I can no longer take responsibility/ credit blame for the tra= nslation, and I will probably need to remove my name from it, because I hav= e no idea who decided they could just touch it.
&= nbsp;       
 
&nb= sp; (BTW, did I ever mention that I hate the new site?  Cause I do)

              &nb= sp;   --gejyspa


On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:26 AM, TR NS <= ;tran...@gmail.com> wrote:
I ha= ve a question of plurality in practice. This question is primarily directed= to those who are fluent in Lojban and have done some considerable translat= ion work from other languages.

I am wondering if you fou= nd the lack of plural forms at all "tiresome" (for lack of better way of pu= tting it). In other words, did you constantly find yourself having to add "= pa", "ro" or other quantifier in order to convey the intended meaning of th= e original?

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