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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Talking about a color
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On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 5:00:03 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>
>> 2015-05-22 5:59 GMT+03:00 TR NS <tran...@gmail.com <javascript:>>:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:25:09 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is the color green green? I would say it has to be.
>>>>
>>>> If it is, then "lo crino" is perfectly fine.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thought that would mean "the-green-thing".
>>>
>>
>> or  "those, which are green".
>>
>
> Yes, the one(s) that are green.  So when the color green is green, it can 
> be referred to as "lo crino".
>

To me, it doesn't make sense for green to have the property green. One can 
construe it that way and listeners will sometimes take your meaning, of 
course, but I'm not sure it is technically accurate. But I admit it's a 
tricky question. Nonetheless, if somewhere says to me out of the blue,

    mi trajynei lo crino

I wouldn't think they are saying green-the-color is their favorite, but 
rather "I favor the green stuff". And I'd probably be looking around for 
something green. It occurs to me though that trajynei might provide a 
simple solution itself:

    mi trajynei lo crino lo se skari
    I favor green among colors.

This is very close to your:

    mi trajynei lo crino se skari

But lacks the use of metaphor, so is more exact in meaning. Correct?


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 5:00:03 PM UTC-4, xorxe=
s wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0=
.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Gleki A=
rxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf=
-obfuscated-mailto=3D"ivAoPijLEcoJ" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.hr=
ef=3D'javascript:';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';retur=
n true;">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>2015-05-22 5=
:59 GMT+03:00 TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D=
"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"ivAoPijLEcoJ" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedow=
n=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'javasc=
ript:';return true;">tran...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:25:09 PM UTC=
-4, xorxes wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin=
-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Is the color green green=
? I would say it has to be.</div><div><br></div><div>If it is, then "lo cri=
no" is perfectly fine.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><=
/span><div>I thought that would mean "the-green-thing".</div></div></blockq=
uote><div><br></div></span><div>or &nbsp;"those, which are green".</div></d=
iv></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, the one(s) that are gr=
een.&nbsp; So when the color green is green, it can be referred to as "lo c=
rino".</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>To me, it do=
esn't make sense for green to have the property green. One can construe it =
that way and listeners will sometimes take your meaning, of course, but I'm=
 not sure it is technically accurate. But I admit it's a tricky question. N=
onetheless, if somewhere says to me out of the blue,</div><div><br></div><d=
iv><span style=3D"color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 14px; line-height: 21px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span>mi trajynei lo crino=
<br></div><div><br></div><div>I wouldn't think they are saying green-the-co=
lor is their favorite, but rather "I favor the green stuff". And I'd probab=
ly be looking around for something green. It occurs to me though that trajy=
nei might provide a simple solution itself:</div><div><br></div><div><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; =
line-height: 21px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span>mi trajynei lo crino lo se sk=
ari<br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; I favor green among colors.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>This is very close to your:</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp=
;&nbsp;mi trajynei&nbsp;lo crino se skari</div><div><br></div><div>But lack=
s the use of metaphor, so is more exact in meaning. Correct?</div><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div></div>

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