Received: from mail-qg0-f55.google.com ([209.85.192.55]:33309) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Z73cq-0002Sl-Ek for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:27:17 -0700 Received: by qgdq107 with SMTP id q107sf46444703qgd.0 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:27:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=SuPEn9O09yTc7iXXsAIZfxTRLctHeHFpZeb3KpSocPw=; b=jq18vw7hP1WzDArRBpIAlL74OY7VFqxKDvcd+q0O6a5U+pgCNqLfuhzwDuLeDB0l25 1Tv13oYKDmNZ/xfHlGOeEMBd1hIvhCB/QZ3XdG40GwLvrnuLN8AeCFt6DHMzafFoRxjI 8pk7LtHBvyVbFNewJMCrMHZVW9lHIHVFPGdWT1JPtE9mCCfdNL/51s/0613WFTkYxhXC bMQhjoeDcckK7rRiIPccNxiktneL6RTlYzAUSXVfKwZ7rYr362dzb/U4NDlZd4yfZ6xm g42xZSaWSpj+ca57VARMJN3t1SGQEQiExgkze4nycljCb/kz6jHZo2HTsTOT77xiwPyq wNKw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=SuPEn9O09yTc7iXXsAIZfxTRLctHeHFpZeb3KpSocPw=; b=jj8wSy8Rwj4rKa8J97ynpK64+aDllezNySKKj1uigSl64AMDE5c1DqZ/GPd8/K9wvh DImj4SWZvtHwxhdTQu+Yn7cJ9VuK+ZrGfj2g3/HzkIGUmnPfQL7FUaOb8m9iniw+rUB8 /urhob1QXNw1TcYOIBsvm5mvyExMu8cgoz7fBrtJgvyS6hlBnh0YV06Ib7cw7P3wm5/Z NJm7ZzOaQpkL9sg04y4NjF5eK2E6m5pAOuJ4oynasr25uLhS2k9eoxvldS33Sir49vUz m4cTRyBJS9fgij7EuOuWExiVtNsb7XHbd16qufqno6oesC8imJ8nfMKmZRiX/2AK2+Fy IwOw== X-Received: by 10.140.96.137 with SMTP id k9mr441968qge.10.1434986822526; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:27:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.43.8 with SMTP id d8ls3341632qga.15.gmail; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:27:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.93.38 with SMTP id c35mr15650qge.38.1434986821930; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Natanael Gustafsson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <9a559350-5536-4ea8-8708-73a06e5c8531@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Some questions after reading la .teris. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_131_744911703.1434986821309" X-Original-Sender: eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.1 X-Spam_score_int: -30 X-Spam_bar: --- ------=_Part_131_744911703.1434986821309 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_132_2048813958.1434986821309" ------=_Part_132_2048813958.1434986821309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thank you for the answers and the references to the CLL! On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 3:03:35 PM UTC+2, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > Okay, unlike the last two posts, I will directly answer your question > :-) (And as the author of that story, I can answer other questions about > it, too) > > 1. The quick answer is "no". the format i BAI/(or tense) bo means > that the entire sentence that follows is what is being tagged. See the CLL > chapter 9, section 7 > > 2. No, jinvi is to have an opinion, krici is to believe something. Have > I used one where you think the other is better? > Yes, in the sentence where the mother thinks that Mooli is pretending, I would say that is a case of believing rather than having an opinion: ".i lu go'i doi mulis. li'u se cusku le mamta .iki'ubo ri jinvi le du'u la mulis. selxarkei" > > 3. If you mean how can we use FA words and SE words to get to those > places? By using constructions like "fa xi xa" and "se xi xa". (see > chapter 19, section 6) > > And thank you for the story, I enjoyed reading it and I'll read the modern Lojban version next to experience the differences :) Erik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_132_2048813958.1434986821309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for the answers and the references to the CLL!
On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 3:03:35 PM UTC+2, Michael Turniansky wrot= e:
  Okay= , unlike the last two posts, I will directly answer your question :-)  = ;(And as the author of that story, I can answer other questions about it, t= oo)

  1.  The quick answer is "no".  the = format i BAI/(or tense) bo  means that the entire sentence that follow= s is what is being tagged.  See the CLL chapter 9, section 7

2.  No, jinvi is to have an opinion, krici is to belie= ve something.  Have I used one where you think the other is better?
 Yes, in the sentence where the mother thin= ks that Mooli is pretending, I would say that is a case of believing rather= than having an opinion:
".i lu go'i doi mulis. li'u se cusku le mamta .= iki'ubo ri jinvi le du'u la mulis. selxarkei"

3.  If y= ou mean how can we use FA words and SE words to get to those places?  = By using constructions like "fa xi xa" and "se xi xa".  (see chapter 1= 9, section 6)


And thank you= for the story, I enjoyed reading it and I'll read the modern Lojban versio= n next to experience the differences :)

Erik

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