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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9si876732wiz.3.2015.06.22.09.30.39 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::235; Received: by mail-wg0-x235.google.com with SMTP id hy7so146105513wgb.2 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.238.193 with SMTP id vm1mr53064314wjc.57.1434990638983; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.226.195 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:30:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9a559350-5536-4ea8-8708-73a06e5c8531@googlegroups.com> References: <9a559350-5536-4ea8-8708-73a06e5c8531@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:30:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Some questions after reading la .teris. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01493cec4aefec05191dcbd5 X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e01493cec4aefec05191dcbd5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson < eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for the answers and the references to the CLL! > > On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 3:03:35 PM UTC+2, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> >> >> 2. No, jinvi is to have an opinion, krici is to believe something. Have >> I used one where you think the other is better? >> > Yes, in the sentence where the mother thinks that Mooli is pretending, I > would say that is a case of believing rather than having an opinion: > ".i lu go'i doi mulis. li'u se cusku le mamta .iki'ubo ri jinvi le du'u la > mulis. selxarkei" > You might be right, but I think that jinvi (or possibly sruma) is fitting because she does have a basis for her reasoning (whereas krici definitionally means that there is no rational for the se krici.) Mooli has presumably pretended before about fantastical things, and what are the odds he is talking about a real tiger? Nonetheless, if others on this list think krici (or sruma) is more appropriate, please weigh in.) --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson <eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for the answers and the refer= ences to the CLL!

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 3:03:= 35 PM UTC+2, Michael Turniansky wrote:

2.=C2=A0 No, jinvi is to have an op= inion, krici is to believe something.=C2=A0 Have I used one where you think= the other is better?
=C2=A0Yes, in the= sentence where the mother thinks that Mooli is pretending, I would say tha= t is a case of believing rather than having an opinion:
".i lu go&#= 39;i doi mulis. li'u se cusku le mamta .iki'ubo ri jinvi le du'= u la mulis. selxarkei"

=C2= =A0 You might be right, but I think that jinvi =C2=A0(or possibly sruma) is= fitting because she does have a basis for her reasoning (whereas krici def= initionally means that there is no rational for the se krici.) =C2=A0Mooli = has presumably pretended before about fantastical things, and what are the = odds he is talking about a real tiger?=C2=A0 Nonetheless, if others on this= list think krici (or sruma) is more appropriate, please weigh in.)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa
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