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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f17si1519931igt.0.2015.06.23.03.55.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jun 2015 03:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=L+4kHYj8 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=Ex_9ZldTLfsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=XAFQembCKUMA:10 a=ZecjOzRoR9KPVKofk9gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:34618] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 66/E3-26404-43B39855; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 06:55:48 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085325E8B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 06:55:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Notebook" (NOT "selbeiskami"!) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 06:55:29 -0400 Message-ID: <2386773.C6yp4LzPh7@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-53-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- On Monday, June 22, 2015 21:44:21 Christa Hansberry wrote: > I'm currently working through *Lojban for Beginners* and writing the vocab > lists and my answers to the exercises in a spiral notebook. I want to > label it "Christa's Lojban Notebook", or something along those lines, in > Lojban. But when I look up "notebook" with my Lojban dictionary app, all it > gives me is "selbeiskami"; I'm guessing that's short for "se bevri skami" > which is NOT what I'm after. So, I figured I'd try to figure it out myself, > since apparently the authors of Lojban dictionaries are such tech-heads > that they've forgotten what a notebook is when it's not a portable computer. > > But now I'm stuck - Is a notebook a writing-surface type-of book (thus > "terci'acku"), or a things-written type-of book (thus "selci'acku")?? > Originally, I wrote the former; it is a book that is a writing surface. But > then I thought about the word "selpeicku", which L4B gives as the work for > "manifesto" - and that is a book that expresses thoughts; one can't think a > book! So now a notebook being a things-written type-of book, since it > contains things-written, makes sense too. Though I'm still personally > leaning toward the first one... > > So, in summary, is there a commonly used Lojban word for a notebook (a book > for notes, not a se bevri type-of skami)? I don't know of a commonly used word. I'd say "terci'acku". As to computers, a notebook is a laptop of a certain size. I prefer "ploskami", maybe "paprybra ploskami" for notebooks. "selbeiskami" is more general and covers everything from a Raspberry Pi to an old model with a screen on the end and a handle to carry it with. Pierre -- loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.