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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t6si1304924wiz.0.2015.06.23.04.05.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id a1so102670508wig.0 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:05:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.9.83 with SMTP id x19mr2305832wia.49.1435057538627; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:05:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:05:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2386773.C6yp4LzPh7@caracal> References: <2386773.C6yp4LzPh7@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:05:19 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Notebook" (NOT "selbeiskami"!) 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I want to > > label it "Christa's Lojban Notebook", or something along those lines, i= n > > Lojban. But when I look up "notebook" with my Lojban dictionary app, al= l > it > > gives me is "selbeiskami"; I'm guessing that's short for "se bevri skam= i" > > which is NOT what I'm after. So, I figured I'd try to figure it out > myself, > > since apparently the authors of Lojban dictionaries are such tech-heads > > that they've forgotten what a notebook is when it's not a portable > computer. > > > > But now I'm stuck - Is a notebook a writing-surface type-of book (thus > > "terci'acku"), or a things-written type-of book (thus "selci'acku")?? > > Originally, I wrote the former; it is a book that is a writing surface. > But > > then I thought about the word "selpeicku", which L4B gives as the work > for > > "manifesto" - and that is a book that expresses thoughts; one can't > think a > > book! So now a notebook being a things-written type-of book, since it > > contains things-written, makes sense too. Though I'm still personally > > leaning toward the first one... > > > > So, in summary, is there a commonly used Lojban word for a notebook (a > book > > for notes, not a se bevri type-of skami)? > > I don't know of a commonly used word. I'd say "terci'acku". As to > computers, a > notebook is a laptop of a certain size. I prefer "ploskami", maybe > "paprybra > ploskami" for notebooks. "selbeiskami" is more general and covers > everything > from a Raspberry Pi to an old model with a screen on the end and a handle > to > carry it with. > Btw, this clearly shows that proliferating lujvo might not be the best option since those devices change too much. Compare =E6=89=8B=E6=9C=BA (literally "hand machine") for "mobile phone" in= Chinese. 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2015-06-23 13:55 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Monday, June 22, 2015 21:44:21 Christa Hansbe= rry wrote:
> I'm currently working through *Lojban for Beginners* and writing t= he vocab
> lists and my answers to the exercises in a spiral not= ebook.=C2=A0 I want to
> label it "Christa's Lojban Notebook", or something along= those lines, in
> Lojban. But when I look up "notebook" with my Lojban diction= ary app, all it
> gives me is "selbeiskami"; I'm guessing that's short= for "se bevri skami"
> which is NOT what I'm after. So, I figured I'd try to figure i= t out myself,
> since apparently the authors of Lojban dictionaries are such tech-head= s
> that they've forgotten what a notebook is when it's not a port= able computer.
>
> But now I'm stuck - Is a notebook a writing-surface type-of book (= thus
> "terci'acku"), or a things-written type-of book (thus &q= uot;selci'acku")??
> Originally, I wrote the former; it is a book that is a writing surface= . But
> then I thought about the word "selpeicku", which L4B gives a= s the work for
> "manifesto" - and that is a book that expresses thoughts; on= e can't think a
> book! So now a notebook being a things-written type-of book, since it<= br> > contains things-written, makes sense too. Though I'm still persona= lly
> leaning toward the first one...
>
> So, in summary, is there a commonly used Lojban word for a notebook (a= book
> for notes, not a se bevri type-of skami)?

I don't know of a commonly used word. I'd say "terci= 9;acku". As to computers, a
notebook is a laptop of a certain size. I prefer "ploskami", mayb= e "paprybra
ploskami" for notebooks. "selbeiskami" is more general and c= overs everything
from a Raspberry Pi to an old model with a screen on the end and a handle t= o
carry it with.
Btw, this clearly shows that proliferat= ing lujvo might not be the best option since those devices change too much.=

Compare =E6=89=8B=E6=9C=BA (literally "hand = machine") for "mobile phone" in Chinese.
Even tanr= u + names of devices using {la} might do.
=C2=A0

Pierre
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