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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9si32128wiz.3.2015.06.23.13.14.01 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::232; Received: by wgqq4 with SMTP id q4so19119453wgq.1 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:14:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.75.78 with SMTP id a14mr6778752wiw.68.1435090441813; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.148.206 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:14:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2386773.C6yp4LzPh7@caracal> References: <2386773.C6yp4LzPh7@caracal> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:14:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Notebook" (NOT "selbeiskami"!) 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After all, it's filled with notci be da bei do bei do --gejyspa On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, June 22, 2015 21:44:21 Christa Hansberry wrote: > > I'm currently working through *Lojban for Beginners* and writing the > vocab > > lists and my answers to the exercises in a spiral notebook. I want to > > label it "Christa's Lojban Notebook", or something along those lines, in > > Lojban. But when I look up "notebook" with my Lojban dictionary app, all > it > > gives me is "selbeiskami"; I'm guessing that's short for "se bevri skami" > > which is NOT what I'm after. So, I figured I'd try to figure it out > myself, > > since apparently the authors of Lojban dictionaries are such tech-heads > > that they've forgotten what a notebook is when it's not a portable > computer. > > > > But now I'm stuck - Is a notebook a writing-surface type-of book (thus > > "terci'acku"), or a things-written type-of book (thus "selci'acku")?? > > Originally, I wrote the former; it is a book that is a writing surface. > But > > then I thought about the word "selpeicku", which L4B gives as the work > for > > "manifesto" - and that is a book that expresses thoughts; one can't > think a > > book! So now a notebook being a things-written type-of book, since it > > contains things-written, makes sense too. Though I'm still personally > > leaning toward the first one... > > > > So, in summary, is there a commonly used Lojban word for a notebook (a > book > > for notes, not a se bevri type-of skami)? > > I don't know of a commonly used word. I'd say "terci'acku". As to > computers, a > notebook is a laptop of a certain size. I prefer "ploskami", maybe > "paprybra > ploskami" for notebooks. "selbeiskami" is more general and covers > everything > from a Raspberry Pi to an old model with a screen on the end and a handle > to > carry it with. > > Pierre > -- > loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Not to be too malglico about this, but what's wrong wi= th noicku?=C2=A0 After all, it's filled with notci be da bei do bei do<= div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa


On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org&= gt; wrote:
On Monday, June 22, 201= 5 21:44:21 Christa Hansberry wrote:
> I'm currently working through *Lojban for Beginners* and writing t= he vocab
> lists and my answers to the exercises in a spiral not= ebook.=C2=A0 I want to
> label it "Christa's Lojban Notebook", or something along= those lines, in
> Lojban. But when I look up "notebook" with my Lojban diction= ary app, all it
> gives me is "selbeiskami"; I'm guessing that's short= for "se bevri skami"
> which is NOT what I'm after. So, I figured I'd try to figure i= t out myself,
> since apparently the authors of Lojban dictionaries are such tech-head= s
> that they've forgotten what a notebook is when it's not a port= able computer.
>
> But now I'm stuck - Is a notebook a writing-surface type-of book (= thus
> "terci'acku"), or a things-written type-of book (thus &q= uot;selci'acku")??
> Originally, I wrote the former; it is a book that is a writing surface= . But
> then I thought about the word "selpeicku", which L4B gives a= s the work for
> "manifesto" - and that is a book that expresses thoughts; on= e can't think a
> book! So now a notebook being a things-written type-of book, since it<= br> > contains things-written, makes sense too. Though I'm still persona= lly
> leaning toward the first one...
>
> So, in summary, is there a commonly used Lojban word for a notebook (a= book
> for notes, not a se bevri type-of skami)?

I don't know of a commonly used word. I'd say "terci= 9;acku". As to computers, a
notebook is a laptop of a certain size. I prefer "ploskami", mayb= e "paprybra
ploskami" for notebooks. "selbeiskami" is more general and c= overs everything
from a Raspberry Pi to an old model with a screen on the end and a handle t= o
carry it with.

Pierre
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loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji

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