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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 19:57:34 -0300
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson <
eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:08:56 AM UTC+2, xorxes wrote:


> I think that's mostly a matter of register. "I am of the opinion that ..."
>> is way too formal for something like that. In English you might express an
>> opinion by saying "I think that ...".
>>
> Yes it's too formal, but I wanted to clearly distinguish the different
> senses of "to think". "To think" has so many different meanings that it
> feels almost meaningless when used in a definition.
>

But "think that ...", i.e. when the object is a proposition, is pretty much
always "jinvi".  Other "think"s are usually "pensi".


> I guess the question is, how would I in Lojban distinguish between an
> opinion that is a belief concerning something which is true or false and an
> opinion that is a subjective view/taste?
>

"jinvi" for the first one. For the second, I would need an example, but I
suppose you are thinking of "by standard" places, as in "ta melbi mi",
"that's beautiful to me"?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">eriknatanaelgustafsson@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1p=
x;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1=
ex">On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:08:56 AM UTC+2, xorxes wrote:</blockquo=
te><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);borde=
r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>I think that&#39;s mostly a matter o=
f register. &quot;I am of the opinion that ...&quot; is way too formal for =
something like that. In English you might express an opinion by saying &quo=
t;I think that ...&quot;.</div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div>Y=
es it&#39;s too formal, but I wanted to clearly distinguish the different s=
enses of &quot;to think&quot;. &quot;To think&quot; has so many different m=
eanings that it feels almost meaningless when used in a definition.<br></di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div><div>But &quot;think that ...&quot;, i.e. whe=
n the object is a proposition, is pretty much always &quot;jinvi&quot;.=C2=
=A0 Other &quot;think&quot;s are usually &quot;pensi&quot;.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);bor=
der-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">I guess t=
he question is, how would I in Lojban distinguish between an opinion that i=
s a belief concerning something which is true or false and an opinion that =
is a subjective view/taste?=C2=A0</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>&qu=
ot;jinvi&quot; for the first one. For the second, I would need an example, =
but I suppose you are thinking of &quot;by standard&quot; places, as in &qu=
ot;ta melbi mi&quot;, &quot;that&#39;s beautiful to me&quot;?</div><div><br=
></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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