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On 02/07/2015 14:20, Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote:
>
>     That means "all the birds join in the same [as something else]
>     song". If you
>     mean "same [as each other]", you can say "mitsi'u", or reword it,
>     "ro loi
>     cipni cu mitsi'u lo ka ce'u sanga makau".
>
> Ahh, good. I'll simply change it to mitsi'u then. Out of curiosity,=20
> could one shorten your alternative to "ro loi cipni cu mitsi'u lo ka=20
> sanga" having the other places implicit without losing to much meaning?
I would say {lo ro cipni cu dunsi'u lo ka sanga}, here. I don't think=20
{ro loi cipni cu simxu...} is correct here, because this {ro} makes it=20
distributive, whereas {simxu} expects a plurality of individuals.

As a side note, you can move around the sentence elements for achieving=20
better rhymes.

>
>     > .i loi melbi selpeisku po do cu rivli'a se ka'a lo sasfoi .ijebo
>     mi'o bajra
>     > gi'e farlu gi'e sa'irbi'o je refcfa bajra .i mi'o bajra mu'i lo
>     ricfoi
>     > .ijebo mi'o bajra mu'i lo ka ro da na'e claxu lo selfi'a
>
>     "sa'irbi'o je refcfa" modifies "bajra". I'm not sure that's what
>     you mean.
>
> Ahh, okay. No, the reason I didn't use gi'e between "sa'irbi'o" and=20
> "refcfa bajra" was that I wanted to group them more together than with=20
> the previous selbri, but perhaps that isn't necessary. Changing je to=20
> gi'e would fix it right? Is there another way of grouping selbri=20
> without creating tanru?

Tighter grouping is achieved with {bo}. For example, {brode gi'e bo=20
brodo}. You can also opt for {gi'e ba bo}, which means "and then=E2=80=A6" =
(gi'e=20
in itself has no implication of temporal sequence, although a temporal=20
sequence may be deduced from context; for making a temporal sequence of=20
events explicit, you can use {gi'e ba bo}).

By the way, {selpeisku} is undefined. Why not using simply {se peisku},=20
or {se pensi}? Also, using {po} there is a little weird (if I'm not=20
mistaken, {po} is for social/legal possessions). {lo se peisku pe do} or=20
{lo se peisku be do} would fit better I think. ({be} is for if {do} is=20
the one who thinks the thought we're talking about; {pe} is for if the=20
thought are related to {do}, without specifying if {do} is the one who=20
think them).

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 02/07/2015 14:20, Erik Natanael
      Gustafsson wrote:<br>
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      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left:
        0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">That means
        "all the birds join in the same [as something else] song". If
        you <br>
        mean "same [as each other]", you can say "mitsi'u", or reword
        it, "ro loi <br>
        cipni cu mitsi'u lo ka ce'u sanga makau".
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <div>Ahh, good. I'll simply change it to mitsi'u then. Out of
        curiosity, could one shorten your alternative to "ro loi cipni
        cu mitsi'u lo ka sanga" having the other places implicit without
        losing to much meaning?<br>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    I would say {lo ro cipni cu dunsi'u lo ka sanga}, here. I don't
    think {ro loi cipni cu simxu...} is correct here, because this {ro}
    makes it distributive, whereas {simxu} expects a plurality of
    individuals.<br>
    <br>
    As a side note, you can move around the sentence elements for
    achieving better rhymes.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite=3D"mid:3a642760-e3e8-445d-a4b4-ce8aec56ac85@googlegroups.com"
      type=3D"cite">
      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left:
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        &gt; .i loi melbi selpeisku po do cu rivli'a se ka'a lo sasfoi
        .ijebo mi'o bajra
        <br>
        &gt; gi'e farlu gi'e sa'irbi'o je refcfa bajra .i mi'o bajra
        mu'i lo ricfoi
        <br>
        &gt; .ijebo mi'o bajra mu'i lo ka ro da na'e claxu lo selfi'a
        <br>
        <br>
        "sa'irbi'o je refcfa" modifies "bajra". I'm not sure that's what
        you mean.<br>
      </blockquote>
      <div>Ahh, okay. No, the reason I didn't use gi'e between
        "sa'irbi'o" and "refcfa bajra" was that I wanted to group them
        more together than with the previous selbri, but perhaps that
        isn't necessary. Changing je to gi'e would fix it right? Is
        there another way of grouping selbri without creating tanru?<br>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Tighter grouping is achieved with {bo}. For example, {brode gi'e bo
    brodo}. You can also opt for {gi'e ba bo}, which means "and then=E2=80=
=A6"
    (gi'e in itself has no implication of temporal sequence, although a
    temporal sequence may be deduced from context; for making a temporal
    sequence of events explicit, you can use {gi'e ba bo}).<br>
    <br>
    By the way, {selpeisku} is undefined. Why not using simply {se
    peisku}, or {se pensi}? Also, using {po} there is a little weird (if
    I'm not mistaken, {po} is for social/legal possessions). {lo se
    peisku pe do} or {lo se peisku be do} would fit better I think.
    ({be} is for if {do} is the one who thinks the thought we're talking
    about; {pe} is for if the thought are related to {do}, without
    specifying if {do} is the one who think them).<br>
    <br>
    mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<br>
    <br>
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