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[157.56.110.79]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sg1si824183pbb.1.2015.07.02.19.44.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 19:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au designates 157.56.110.79 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.110.79; Received: from DM2PR01MB381.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.141.83.11) by DM2PR01MB384.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.141.83.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.195.15; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:44:10 +0000 Received: from DM2PR01MB381.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.141.83.11]) by DM2PR01MB381.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.141.83.11]) with mapi id 15.01.0195.005; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:44:10 +0000 From: Timothy Lawrence To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] jbovlaste definitions Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] jbovlaste definitions Thread-Index: AQHQtJ37dCkQEsFdgEmytbsIfL56ZZ3ILRsAgADTg0E= Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:44:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-AU, en-US Content-Language: en-AU X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [14.2.251.81] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;DM2PR01MB384;5:W9r+W/6bsVyXWm+06fJCotP1/HpAkmuNW/nrCGzSMN/loeim2U7mqT59Is+r/fmuH6hRYwz9CJVS0P43oUGfHw8A9Ax/jJrF74WfNLEKcUez3YkNwjp4hX6mhEoYfHOXfhKp1xCI5xxXsHHHhp7ngw==;24:JlnonzTLPKEhM0qLeshCocWW30J4ly5E19+8n9W9pCgSAhxDQmrAg0+JsnZlcdNT7NbMDw87cdlon6Tkcx4KznVR8n/rxsKVj0tisXmxCvQ=;20:AuKueEsNk6Akxl0pdlqdGMnWfrN+ZungU6fUhK507uugSCxqdAYbr6latmEWwerje/ef5TY2gRVnCGvzCLNNLA== x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR01MB384; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(5005006)(3002001);SRVR:DM2PR01MB384;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR01MB384; x-forefront-prvs: 0626C21B10 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10009020)(377454003)(51444003)(377424004)(2656002)(19580405001)(19580395003)(5001960100002)(107886002)(77096005)(102836002)(189998001)(110136002)(77156002)(450100001)(50986999)(76176999)(54356999)(87936001)(66066001)(106116001)(19627405001)(2950100001)(2900100001)(15975445007)(19617315012)(74482002)(46102003)(5002640100001)(86362001)(40100003)(5003600100002)(2351001)(19625215002)(88552001)(33656002)(92566002)(2501003)(16236675004)(74316001)(16601075003)(16297215004);DIR:OUT;SFP:1101;SCL:1;SRVR:DM2PR01MB384;H:DM2PR01MB381.prod.exchangelabs.com;FPR:;SPF:None;MLV:sfv;LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM2PR01MB381740B385D444C0AFF2619EB960DM2PR01MB381prodex_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: connect.qut.edu.au X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 03 Jul 2015 02:44:10.7961 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: dc0b52a3-68c5-44f7-881d-9383d8850b96 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM2PR01MB384 X-Original-Sender: timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au designates 157.56.110.79 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --_000_DM2PR01MB381740B385D444C0AFF2619EB960DM2PR01MB381prodex_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gleki Arxokuna Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2015 11:29 PM 2015-07-02 15:19 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence >: coi ro do Is this valid: "coi .i do sanji mo"? I was looking up words on http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/ and there was no definition for "and" in English. Is it a question about jbovlaste, i.e. that it is confusing in not providing lojban translations of english words? Yes. or you jsut want to know how to say "and" in Lojban? Yes also. At the moment, I am trying to translate "Jack and the Beanstalk" (just that sentence, not the whole story) and I currently have "la djak. (ce?) lo se dembi stani". I'm still not quite sure which "and" to use. The first question is a well known limitation of jbovlaste in being mostly a Lojban to "another language" dictionary interface. Its main page does say "English or lojban words: [Search]" so it does seem to be an English to Lojban dictionary. If it's not intended to be, it'd be good if it said so and included a link to one. I'm solving this issue by providing an English to Lojban dictionary: http://mw.lojban.org/papri/L17-04 As for "and" most often words for it are {ce} and {e}. mi ce do casnu lo mlatu = I and you discuss cats (i.e. we discuss it with each other) mi e do casnu lo mlatu = I and you discuss cats. I other words, I discuss cats, and you discuss cats. Maybe, separately, i.e. with different people. In some dialects instead of {ce} you may use {jo'u}, instead of {e} you may use {je}. ?Having nonstandard dialects (if the dialect is changing the language rather than extending it) seems to thwart the unambiguity of the language. How would I know which dialect is being used? I want to learn "standard" Lojban. As for the most standard dialect of Lojban the CLL, chapter 14 logical connectives are explained in full. "If Wishes Were Horses"? I can't really follow that chapter very easily. Is there another summary that has all the "normal" uses? I also got the following: No definitions found for "thing" because it has many meanings in English. {lo dacti} is "thing", an object. I expected to find many entries rather than no entries, just as with "and". For example, "medium" currently has many entries saying "in the sense of..." (although I think that is missing "in the sense of 'average'" for English). No definitions found for "something" again {lo dacti}, or {da} or {zo'e} No definitions found for "fun" No definitions found for "solve" No definitions found for "fix" No definitions found for "hum" No definitions found for "biped" No definitions found for "fungi" No definitions found for "fungus" No definitions found for "mycelium" I was wondering if anyone could fill these in for me. well, okay. i will add them to my todo list. Thank you :) Recently, jbovlaste has had a lot of connection problems when I try to connect (the lojban.org site itself, too). Currently I cannot connect to either. Is there a local app version of jbovlaste? http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ilmentufa/i/en/index.html#sisku/coi Thanks :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --_000_DM2PR01MB381740B385D444C0AFF2619EB960DM2PR01MB381prodex_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



From: lojban-beginners@goog= legroups.com <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Gleki A= rxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2015= 11:29 PM
 
2015-07-02 15:19 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence = <timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>:
coi ro do

Is this valid: "coi .i do sanji mo"?

I was looking up words on http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/ and there was no definition for "and&= quot; in English.

Is it a question about jbovlaste, i.e. that it is confusing in not pro= viding lojban translations of english words?


Yes.

or you jsut want to know how to say "and" in Lojban?

Yes also.
At the moment, I am trying to translate "Jack and the Beanst= alk" (just that sentence, not the whole story) and I current= ly have "la djak. (ce?) lo se dembi stani". I'm still not quite s= ure which "and" to use.

The first question is a well known limitation of jbovlaste in being mo= stly a Lojban to "another language" dictionary interface.

Its main page does say "English or lojban words: [Search]&qu= ot; so it does seem to be an English to Lojban dictionary. If it's not inte= nded to be, it'd be good if it said so and included a link to one= .

I'm solving this issue by providing an English to Lojban dictionary:

As for "and" most often words for it are {ce} and {e}.

mi ce do casnu lo mlatu =3D I and you discuss cats (i.e. we discuss it= with each other)

mi e do casnu lo mlatu =3D I and you discuss cats. I  other words= , I discuss cats, and you discuss cats. Maybe, separately, i.e. with differ= ent people.

In some dialects instead of {ce} you may use {jo'u}, instead of {e} yo= u may use {je}.

​Having nonstandard dialects (if the dialect is changing the language rather than extending it)&nbs= p;seems to thwart the unambiguity of the language. How would I = know which dialect is being used? I want to learn "standard" Lojb= an.

As for the most standard dialect of Lojban the CLL, chapter 14 logical connectives are explained in full.

"If Wishes Were Horses"? I can't really follow that chapter very easily. Is there another summary that has all the "normal" uses?


I also got the following:

No definitions found for "thing"
because it has many meanings in English. {lo dacti} is "thing&quo= t;, an object. 

I expected to find many entries rather than no entries, just= as with "and".
For example, "medium" currently has many entries saying= "in the sense of..." (although I think that is missing &quo= t;in the sense of 'average'" for English).

No definitions found for "something"

again {lo dacti}, or {da} or {zo'e}

No definitions found for "fun"
No definitions found for "solve"
No definitions found for "fix"
No definitions found for "hum"
No definitions found for "biped"
No definitions found for "fungi"
No definitions found for "fungus"
No definitions found for "mycelium"

I was wondering if anyone could fill these in for me.

well, okay. i will add them to my todo list.

Thank you :)
 

Recently, jbovlaste has had a lot of connection problems when I try to conn= ect (the lojban.org site itself,= too). Currently I cannot connect to either. Is there a local app version o= f jbovlaste?

 

Thanks :)

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